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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by interblag »

f311a wrote: post #159

> The Nokia G22 will cost from £149.99 shipping on 8 March with replacement parts costing £18.99 for a charging port, £22.99 for a battery and £44.99 for a screen. So, after a year of use the cost of replacing a battery and the screen will be close the market value of a used phone. A lot of people will go for a new phone.

According to these numbers the combined cost of replacing the battery and the screen is 22.99 + 44.99 == 67.98, which is less than half (~45.3%) of the cost of the original new phone. Comparing that to the market value of a used phone is a bit unfair, since screens and batteries drive the depreciation of used phones more than any other components (ignoring EoL timelines for OS security updates, etc), and in this example you're getting new ones. Plus not everyone needs a new screen and battery every year.

This definitely isn't going to be for everyone but, for what they're trying to do, IMO the numbers seem reasonable.

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Post by pimeys »

jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

I've been looking for a browser extension I could use to filter certain things out from my internet feeds. For example making anything related to Apple completely vanish for me. I wonder could the GPT be utilized for this?

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Post by kyriakos »

tuetuopay wrote: post #15

> It runs Android 12 and will be supported for three years of monthly security updates and two major Android version upgrades. And that's why I stick to iPhones for long-lasting devices, those two major versions are a joke. Apple has the crown with seven on the iPhone 6S. When will someone make Android phones other than Pixels with non-abysmal software support? Yes, I know you can install alternate ROMs on your phone…

£149.99 with 3 years of software updates + repairable sounds good enough to me.

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Post by bg24 »

tuetuopay wrote: post #15

> It runs Android 12 and will be supported for three years of monthly security updates and two major Android version upgrades. And that's why I stick to iPhones for long-lasting devices, those two major versions are a joke. Apple has the crown with seven on the iPhone 6S. When will someone make Android phones other than Pixels with non-abysmal software support? Yes, I know you can install alternate ROMs on your phone…

I am an iPhone user. Irrespective of software update, the device gets really slow at 3yrs mark, forcing me to change. So I do not know if supporting a phone software for >3yrs is a good idea or just marketing.

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Post by dageshi »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #97
dageshi wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given androids market share vs iphone... the majority are indeed taking a phone with no updates over a slower phone. As long as the apps they use work ok I'm not sure the majority cares about updates security or otherwise.

I mean, no. Their market share says nothing about people’s wants and needs on this topic, it just means that on the whole the Android package is more appealing. Which could be for many reasons, of which price is going to be the biggest. If people could choose a longer period of updates, I don’t really expect any to refuse.

You don't get longer updates without increasing the price. If people did really care about updates outside of HN it would be a marketing feature.

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Post by AnonymousPlanet »

amelius wrote: post #21
tuetuopay wrote: post #15

> It runs Android 12 and will be supported for three years of monthly security updates and two major Android version upgrades. And that's why I stick to iPhones for long-lasting devices, those two major versions are a joke. Apple has the crown with seven on the iPhone 6S. When will someone make Android phones other than Pixels with non-abysmal software support? Yes, I know you can install alternate ROMs on your phone…

Yes, I had to throw away my perfectly capable phone because my banking app refused to work at some point because the version of Android was too old and the phone stopped supporting newer versions of Android. Edit: not sarcastic, 100% serious.

If you're using a banking app to do online banking, security doesn't seem to be a priority in the first place. Or what is your banking app's second factor for authentication? Fingerprint? On Android? On the same device you bring with you everywhere and use for surfing all sorts of websites?

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Post by pipeline_peak »

It would be nice if some company went against this obsession with ultra thin phones. Then we could go back to ACTUAL replaceable batteries, maybe durability too, something Nokia used to take pride in.

Yes I’d like a 2mm thick phone with 6 cameras I can replace every year. I’d like my phone to get closer and closer to toilet paper clogging the pipes of this planet.

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Post by kyriakos »

piperswe wrote: post #145
fdaryfdyfgd wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's at least 3 years each using a phone with absolutely no security updates to network, wifi, cryptolibs, html/js engine etc. not that iphone are any better. you have zero idea what you get on a new ios for old devices since the binaries are not the same. only thing you can be certain is the extra slow down loop

The HTML/JS engine does get updated, it's contained in a component called "Android System WebView" on the Play Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and...

A big benefit of Android, its modular and bits and pieces can be updated independently. Part of the reason iPhones require to have long term OS support is the fact that their browser would otherwise be stuck at an old version.

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Post by mynameisvlad »

dageshi wrote: post #175
mynameisvlad wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, no. Their market share says nothing about people’s wants and needs on this topic, it just means that on the whole the Android package is more appealing. Which could be for many reasons, of which price is going to be the biggest. If people could choose a longer period of updates, I don’t really expect any to refuse.

You don't get longer updates without increasing the price. If people did really care about updates outside of HN it would be a marketing feature.

The fact that Android phone releases (like the one we’re commenting on right now) generally announce the supported feature and security updates indicates that it very much is one already, at least on the Android side.

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Post by wesapien »

LinuxBender wrote: post #2

Nice! I've been waiting for something like the FairPhone to show up in the US. A sweet bonus would be if they also provided and fully supported de-googled image or at least had an option to download the de-googled image after accepting some disclaimers. Or perhaps even set up a public community for phone hackers to help them build said image i.e. crowdsource the work . An optional large shell for a bigger battery wou…

Hopefully, the bootloader is unlocked for third party ROMs like Lineage and others
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