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Analysis finds Australia’s inflation being driven by company profits, not wages

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Re: Analysis finds Australia’s inflation being driven by company profits, not wages

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Rent rises are more the result of extremely low rental vacancies in Australia

Don't stop there. Extremely low rental vacancies are a result of? State governments, local governments, and property development, basically colluding to not build cheap and affordable high density housing.

> State governments, local governments, and property development, basically colluding to not build cheap and affordable high density housing.

australian taxation is already one of the highest in the world. In order for the gov't to build affordable housing (high density or not), it would take even more tax revenue to pull off.

I for one, will not want to pay more taxes.

The free market works for food, so why not have it work for shelter? The key sticking point is zoning issues, and approvals. These decisions are made at the local (council) level, and the existing residents overwhelmingly dislike a high rise going up next to their house/backyard.

The other issue is that a large portion of real estate buyers want land ownership - ala a house. The thought of living in an apartment is at best a stopgap for them.

Therefore, the capital appreciation of an apartment is meager at best. This also causes chronic underinvestment in apartments (esp. quality ones), and exacerbates cheap, low quality shitboxes that people dont like much (and reinforces the idea that they don't want to live in an apartment in the long term).

Re: Analysis finds Australia’s inflation being driven by company profits, not wages

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People who can't afford to buy get stuck with borrowing costs being passed on, anyway, and get trapped in rent spirals. I do agree that some of the criticism of Lowe is undeserved, though.

Rent rises are more the result of extremely low rental vacancies in Australia

Yes, but not totally.

If I own an investment property, then I'm going to want a return on that investment.

I want the rent payments to cover the mortgage, and to see capital growth over time.

When you don't get decent returns on your property investment, you'll just move your investment elsewhere.

However with a lack of diverse investment opportunities, housing is a decent play that people understand. So even if returns are low, it's seen as worthwhile, especially over the long term.

This is especially true when you get the much hated "Boomers" and older X-Gens buying properties for their children as it's seen as a better use of money than their kids renting.

I've seen queues of people down the street for open-inspections of average properties, and "Boomers" literally signing offers on the kitchen table at the open of any decent apartment.

If property investors art investing, then builders will stop building and we'll deepen the housing crisis. We've already seen a few major building firms go under in the past 18 months. It's not easy to create a building firm capable of sizeable construction project. It takes years to trade school investment to actually train and qualify people to be able to build houses, and we've under invested in trade schools.

There is a general sentiment on Reddit and elsewhere that if you cant afford the mortgage rises then you shouldn't own an investment property. This just doesnt make any sense, and isn't a useful way to think about it. I get that people are angry with the situation, but it doesn't help change society and housing policy when the younger millennials don't understand all the policy issues or motivations of those that own Rental Properties. :-)

I see regular calls to ban AirBnb as if thats an easy answer... :-/

Re: Analysis finds Australia’s inflation being driven by company profits, not wages

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NAB - the big Australian bank that uses children in their ads, reading scripts in a grown-up manner about the importance of money: https://youtu.be/bk952JcRyok They've aired several ads like this using children to convince people that NAB is "more than money". On supermarket profits. I've noticed price-jacking has reached a new level. Seemingly in collaboration with the brands to deceive customers. For example, "50%…

Coles branded dishwasher powder works fine, $0.39 per 100 grams. The next cheapest is more than three times the price and doesn't do anything the Coles branded product doesn't.

Coles brand has never worked for me. Try the Aldi tablets. They are very cheap and Choice scores them as the best.

Re: Analysis finds Australia’s inflation being driven by company profits, not wages

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Australia_Institute >The Australia Institute is a left-wing[2] public policy think tank based in Canberra, Australia [...] >The Australia Institute claims to not accept donations or commissioned work from political parties.[51]

They don't publish who funds them, at least ASPI is open about their money coming from overseas weapons manufacturers.

So how do you know they are funded by the Greens?

Re: Analysis finds Australia’s inflation being driven by company profits, not wages

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The wage-price spiral theory of inflation is bunk. Inflation is caused by the devaluation of excessive printing of money.

Every time your local bank issues a loan, it creates money out of thin air.

It also creates debt. And debt is a commitment to destroy that money that was created.

Re: Analysis finds Australia’s inflation being driven by company profits, not wages

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There are two possible reasons: - The supply of money goes up. - The demand for money goes down. Neither wages nor profits are capable of affecting the supply. They might affect demand somehow, but it's not the first thing you'd look at.

Doesn't the supply of stuff also matter? How about people's expectations of future prices? How about global-market linked prices of economic inputs, foreign money supply creation? Etc. I think I could come up with 50 reasons why prices might increase if I sat down long enough.

> Doesn't the supply of stuff also matter?

It matters.

> How about people's expectations of future prices?

These also matter.

Now ask yourself how they matter. Any fall in the value of money must come from an increase in supply or a decrease in demand. If we expect future prices to be much higher than they are now, we will seek to hold less money (because its value in the future is lower) and this drop in the demand for money in the present will drive down the value of money in the present.

Re: Analysis finds Australia’s inflation being driven by company profits, not wages

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There are so many threads here. The reserve bank governor is deeply unpopular in the broader public because of 2021 comments he made about there being no interest rate increases needed until 2024 [1]. As mentioned in the article, many companies are posting record profits, including supermarkets [2] - leaving low and middle income people hurting, and working more hours or side jobs. Those same people also face an adve…

But record profits is non-sense. Profit goes up with inflation in nominal terms, so you need to compare real terms. From the article you pointed to:

'Mr Kierath said it was important to note the companies' profits fell in the last six months of 2021, so these results were rebounding off an unusually low base.'

Ergo, they look good because they were depressed in the prior reporting season. Ergo, it's just corporations bashing, because people are mad inflation is going up.

If you look at Woolworth's profits over time, it would look to be going back to normal levels[1] after a dip due to COVID.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1116200/australia-net-pr...

Re: Analysis finds Australia’s inflation being driven by company profits, not wages

#108

There are so many threads here. The reserve bank governor is deeply unpopular in the broader public because of 2021 comments he made about there being no interest rate increases needed until 2024 [1]. As mentioned in the article, many companies are posting record profits, including supermarkets [2] - leaving low and middle income people hurting, and working more hours or side jobs. Those same people also face an adve…

All very good points! We've had wage stagnation for ~15 years. I've long wondered what it is about our job market that keeps wages down whilst company profits continue to grow. Perhaps an unspoken collusion around wages, or maybe lack of salary growth in government jobs that in turn pushes the private sector. Lack of competition and choices is another issue, as is Australia's dispersion of cities. It's not straight f…

Immigration is keeping wages down, and continues to do so. It is also putting immense pressure on the rental market.

Want to improve the lives of ordinary Australians? Reduce immigration levels.

Re: Analysis finds Australia’s inflation being driven by company profits, not wages

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post #107

There are so many threads here. The reserve bank governor is deeply unpopular in the broader public because of 2021 comments he made about there being no interest rate increases needed until 2024 [1]. As mentioned in the article, many companies are posting record profits, including supermarkets [2] - leaving low and middle income people hurting, and working more hours or side jobs. Those same people also face an adve…

But record profits is non-sense. Profit goes up with inflation in nominal terms, so you need to compare real terms. From the article you pointed to: 'Mr Kierath said it was important to note the companies' profits fell in the last six months of 2021, so these results were rebounding off an unusually low base.' Ergo, they look good because they were depressed in the prior reporting season. Ergo, it's just corporations…

This isn't convincing, why should company profits be immune from inflation but wages stagnate and fall below the rate of inflation as has happened this year? Corporations bashing is definitely warranted in this case.

Re: Analysis finds Australia’s inflation being driven by company profits, not wages

#110

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The Australia Institute is a thinktank, funded by the Greens. The conclusion is already foregone, they work backwards from there, it's like asking ASPI about defense spending.

> Australia Institute is a thinktank, funded by the Greens Source? If true, this doesn’t belong on HN.

This doesn't belong on HN, because its garbage analysis.

From their 'analysis':

"Record profits on petroleum and mining activities (reinforced by a spike in global oil and gas prices following the invasion of Ukraine) led this surge, but the overall corporate sector experienced the most rapid growth in profits of any comparable period in 35 years."

So because of global shortages, commodity prices reached record highs, and companies which are price takers benefited from that, is now suddenly corporate greed? BHP doesn't set the price for Iron Ore, the market does. BP doesn't set the price for Oil or Natural Gas, the market does. When you cut off Russia who are a key supplier of those goods, that creates shortages and causes prices to spike. This means companies which extract those goods will make more money as long as costs remain the same.

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