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Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone
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Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone
#32I don't believe this surprised anybody, including the Opera team.
Agreed, it's not like this is the first time Apple has denied a "competing" application. I can't wait for Android to be released on a decent handset. Then I can give my iPhone to my wife.
I have an iPhone and have used Android on the G1 extensively... the best (if not lacking in creativity) comparison between the OS's is Android is like Ubuntu on the desktop and the iPhone is like OS X on the desktop. If you're happy using Ubuntu, you'll probably be happy using Android.
I think it's going to come down to values--easy and flashy vs. open. If the Linux vs. Windows/OS X battle of the last 10 years is any indication, my guess is that the iPhone will dominate the market and Android will only win geek cred.
Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone
#33Classic example of a business sacrificing long term gains for short term gains. Sure they gain money by doing this via google or whatever. But in the long run, well, this is why there is no Apple developer ecosystem.
This is why there is no Apple developer ecosystem.
Is this a known fact or your personal opinion?
I only develop for the web but I always thought Apple had strong support from developers which is why it has some of the best designed software.
Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Android has more developers in it's first year than iPhone had in it's first year. Give it some time... As usual, Apple won't be able to offer you as much choice in hardware as will be available for Android. And, we can already see that there will be more software choices and flexibility for Android.
Why do I want lots of choice in hardware for my phone?
Why would you want stereo bluetooth headphones? Apple didn't offer that for a long time, I don't even know if they do currently.
A replaceable battery? A slide out keyboard? A normal headphone jack?
No, you're right. Choice is REALLY BAD. Let's all buy Apple stuff and be happy that the Gods have even thought of us.
Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone
#35Classic example of a business sacrificing long term gains for short term gains. Sure they gain money by doing this via google or whatever. But in the long run, well, this is why there is no Apple developer ecosystem.
This is why there is no Apple developer ecosystem. Is this a known fact or your personal opinion? I only develop for the web but I always thought Apple had strong support from developers which is why it has some of the best designed software.
It's fairly well known that Apple has a very small developer base and that they treat developers poorly in a number of ways. For one, they've been known to break backwards compat. like it's nobody's business.
Sure, a lot of nix people use Macs now, but ask them if they're developing software for the Mac OS. Most likely, the answer is no. They're doing nix stuff.
Compare the Apple developer "ecosystem" to that of the Windows and Linux world. Can you see any big differences?
Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Give me a break, Derek. They weren't "testing the waters". Wired wrote a story in March about how the public SDK terms would prevent Firefox and Opera specifically from being allowed on the iPhone, and the story about Apple declining "competing" applications is months old too. I'm sorry for ribbing you for wanting to work on Android; I'm just being snarky, although I really don't share your politics. But let's not be…
Wired wrote a story in March about how the public SDK terms would prevent Firefox and Opera specifically from being allowed on the iPhone... You are correct on the SDK terms, I had completely forgotten about that. IIRC, Opera would be considered an emulator since it allow you to run Javascript, yes? ...and the story about Apple declining "competing" applications is months old too. Which is exactly why I said it's no…
Openness: good. Extremely high quality: good.
Either makes a fine product as far as I'm concerned. Both is gravy.
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Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone
#37Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do I want lots of choice in hardware for my phone?
Why would you want stereo bluetooth headphones? Apple didn't offer that for a long time, I don't even know if they do currently. A replaceable battery? A slide out keyboard? A normal headphone jack? No, you're right. Choice is REALLY BAD. Let's all buy Apple stuff and be happy that the Gods have even thought of us.
Do you live in some strange country where you're not allowed to buy phones with slide-out keyboards, or has Apple fronted a California ballot initiative I'm not aware of?
Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed, it's not like this is the first time Apple has denied a "competing" application. I can't wait for Android to be released on a decent handset. Then I can give my iPhone to my wife.
I have an iPhone and have used Android on the G1 extensively... the best (if not lacking in creativity) comparison between the OS's is Android is like Ubuntu on the desktop and the iPhone is like OS X on the desktop. If you're happy using Ubuntu, you'll probably be happy using Android. I think it's going to come down to values--easy and flashy vs. open. If the Linux vs. Windows/OS X battle of the last 10 years is any…
Which means that I might buy an Android phone if I want a small handheld wireless computer, but I won't be using it as my actual phone.
Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone
#40Gruber at http://daringfireball.net/linked/2008/10/30/opera-iphone : "I don’t see how this is surprising at all. One can argue about whether it’s a good policy for Apple not to allow third-party web browsers on the iPhone, but unlike other rejections, this one is not arbitrary. The iPhone SDK Agreement clearly forbids writing your own JavaScript interpreter."
What if the only reason it forbids it is to prevent Opera, Flash, et. al. from coming to the iPhone? Then Gruber has his cause and effect wrong. Even if he doesn't, this is still sick in sort of the same way that Alumni preferences keeping blacks out of state funded schools is--sure there is technically another reason than there blackness, but the end effect is still bad.