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Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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Post by tptacek »

jrockway wrote: post #14
tptacek wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't Podcast Listener Pro or whatever; nobody will be surprised if Apple turns down Windows Media Player or Azureus either. One expects Opera did this largely as a publicity stunt. You're going to be the one geek in the room with the Android phone and the Nomad MP3 player, you know. =)

You're going to be the one geek in the room with the Android phone and the Nomad MP3 player, you know. =) Are you over the age of 13? If so, this probably shouldn't concern you.

I would use the word "amuse" in place of "concern".

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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Post by tptacek »

wizlb wrote: post #16
tptacek wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't Podcast Listener Pro or whatever; nobody will be surprised if Apple turns down Windows Media Player or Azureus either. One expects Opera did this largely as a publicity stunt. You're going to be the one geek in the room with the Android phone and the Nomad MP3 player, you know. =)

"You're going to be the one geek in the room...blah, blah, blah..." Actually real geeks are much more interested in Android than iPhone because of Apple's bullshit. Welcome to the 90's all over again when Apple lost the desktop war to Windows.

Yeah, because I definitely see more geeks writing Android code than iPhone code.

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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Post by tptacek »

dmpayton wrote: post #10
tptacek wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't Podcast Listener Pro or whatever; nobody will be surprised if Apple turns down Windows Media Player or Azureus either. One expects Opera did this largely as a publicity stunt. You're going to be the one geek in the room with the Android phone and the Nomad MP3 player, you know. =)

One expects Opera did this largely as a publicity stunt. I think they were testing the waters to see how Apple would react to a larger and much better-known company putting a competing product into the app store. Unsurprisingly, Apple did the same thing they've always done. You're going to be the one geek in the room with the Android phone and the Nomad MP3 player, you know. =) That fine, as long as I have the choice…

Give me a break, Derek. They weren't "testing the waters". Wired wrote a story in March about how the public SDK terms would prevent Firefox and Opera specifically from being allowed on the iPhone, and the story about Apple declining "competing" applications is months old too.

I'm sorry for ribbing you for wanting to work on Android; I'm just being snarky, although I really don't share your politics. But let's not be disingenuous. It's not news that you can't run Opera --- or Flash, or Skype --- on an iPhone.

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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Post by wizlb »

tptacek wrote: post #22
wizlb wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You're going to be the one geek in the room...blah, blah, blah..." Actually real geeks are much more interested in Android than iPhone because of Apple's bullshit. Welcome to the 90's all over again when Apple lost the desktop war to Windows.

Yeah, because I definitely see more geeks writing Android code than iPhone code.

Android has more developers in it's first year than iPhone had in it's first year.

Give it some time... As usual, Apple won't be able to offer you as much choice in hardware as will be available for Android. And, we can already see that there will be more software choices and flexibility for Android.

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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Post by tptacek »

wizlb wrote: post #24
tptacek wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, because I definitely see more geeks writing Android code than iPhone code.

Android has more developers in it's first year than iPhone had in it's first year. Give it some time... As usual, Apple won't be able to offer you as much choice in hardware as will be available for Android. And, we can already see that there will be more software choices and flexibility for Android.

Why do I want lots of choice in hardware for my phone?

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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Post by acgourley »

tptacek wrote: post #25
wizlb wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android has more developers in it's first year than iPhone had in it's first year. Give it some time... As usual, Apple won't be able to offer you as much choice in hardware as will be available for Android. And, we can already see that there will be more software choices and flexibility for Android.

Why do I want lots of choice in hardware for my phone?

... are you serious?

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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Post by unalone »

acgourley wrote: post #26
tptacek wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do I want lots of choice in hardware for my phone?

... are you serious?

I think the point he's making is that if the hardware is sufficient enough in the iPhone, then it doesn't matter that you can't get it in a variety of various systems. In fact, as it is with all Apple products, I'd say that's an advantage in Apple's favor. Not everybody agrees, but it suits me fine, and it suits a lot of other people pretty well, too. So I get your not liking Apple, but don't get condescending about it.

Apple's theory has always been that if they control the hardware, they don't have to compromise their software. That results in really remarkable things.

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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Post by unalone »

DarkShikari wrote: post #6

I'm always confused by this. If Dell didn't allow Opera or Firefox or Linux to be installed on the computers they sell, or Microsoft didn't allow 3rd-party applications on Windows, people would be up in arms. But Apple is allowed to block anyone from installing any application on their own personal iPhone , and there aren't lawsuits flying?

But Dell offers an open platform. Blocking a particular app would require making an exception. The iPhone is closed; every time Apple approves an app it's making an exception. And Apple's already stated that they won't accept JavaScript interpreters.

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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Post by axod »

DarkShikari wrote: post #6

I'm always confused by this. If Dell didn't allow Opera or Firefox or Linux to be installed on the computers they sell, or Microsoft didn't allow 3rd-party applications on Windows, people would be up in arms. But Apple is allowed to block anyone from installing any application on their own personal iPhone , and there aren't lawsuits flying?

It's just the same as a billion other areas - mp3 players, tvs, phones, games consoles. The PC is pretty unique in terms of its openness to 3rd party software.

But IMHO it's a moot point - the iPhone has a fantastic fast fully featured browser which can do most stuff.

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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Post by dmpayton »

tptacek wrote: post #23
dmpayton wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One expects Opera did this largely as a publicity stunt. I think they were testing the waters to see how Apple would react to a larger and much better-known company putting a competing product into the app store. Unsurprisingly, Apple did the same thing they've always done. You're going to be the one geek in the room with the Android phone and the Nomad MP3 player, you know. =) That fine, as long as I have the choice…

Give me a break, Derek. They weren't "testing the waters". Wired wrote a story in March about how the public SDK terms would prevent Firefox and Opera specifically from being allowed on the iPhone, and the story about Apple declining "competing" applications is months old too. I'm sorry for ribbing you for wanting to work on Android; I'm just being snarky, although I really don't share your politics. But let's not be…

Wired wrote a story in March about how the public SDK terms would prevent Firefox and Opera specifically from being allowed on the iPhone...

You are correct on the SDK terms, I had completely forgotten about that. IIRC, Opera would be considered an emulator since it allow you to run Javascript, yes?

...and the story about Apple declining "competing" applications is months old too.

Which is exactly why I said it's no surprise that Opera was turned down, although there is obviously much more to the story.

I'm sorry for ribbing you for wanting to work on Android; I'm just being snarky...

No need to apologize, I hadn't taken any offense.

...although I really don't share your politics.

I assume that by "politics" you mean my feelings towards openness, choice, and F/OSS (since we seem to have similar feelings towards US politics, but I digress).

All I'm saying is that options are good. Apple limits your options with the iPhone, so I'm looking forward to getting an Android phone in the future.

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