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One Year into the War in Ukraine

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Re: One Year into the War in Ukraine

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If France were to give french passports to a lot of Germans in a particular region of Germany, that region doesn't magically become a French asset/territory.

Transnistria is literally controlled by Russian armed forces…

Which are there illegally as they occupy the territory of the sovereign nation of Moldova.

Case in point, no other UN nation recognizes Transnistria or Transnistrean passports. Transnistrean citizens travel with Moldovan passports.

Re: One Year into the War in Ukraine

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It wasn't a "temporary downturn". If you look at the graph of casualties in Donbas before 2022, the first 2 years of fighting in 2014-2015 see the vast majority of casualties, and then it goes down sharply from there. By 2021, this much lower rate was a well-established status quo, and this was reflected even in official government briefings from separatist republics and Russia itself. For example, DNR published ( ht…

I can show you the same trend in the Iraq War, and it doesn't make it not a war. I guess I'm not sure of the point.

The point is that it is an extremely silly justification to start a war which resulted in these numbers spiking ~100x for the civilian population in the affected areas.

Re: One Year into the War in Ukraine

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Only people whose knowledge of history begins with WW II think everything is Munich, and that analogy applies to everything. There was 6,000 years of recorded history before Munich. It's not always correct to think that "if we appease them here, they'll be in our bedrooms next." Sometimes in history, the two sides cut a deal, and peace was maintained for a few generations, which was all anyone expected anyway.

This seems bit vague.

So you're unhappy unless some specific wars are cited?

Re: One Year into the War in Ukraine

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It’s hard to know exactly how heavy Ukrainian losses in the first phase and this second phase were; I suspect we’ll find out that they were quite a bit heavier than media coverage would lead us to believe. Actually, if you read Western mainstream media front line reports, past the headlines and between the lines, a picture of very heavy losses emerges. Units completely depleted or rebuilt several times. Territorial D…

> Actually, if you read Western mainstream media front line reports, past the headlines and between the lines, a picture of very heavy losses emerges. You don’t even have to read “past the headlines and between the lines”. The most common estimates I’ve seen are around 120K killed+wounded for Ukraine, which are very heavily casualties. Not as heavy as the 200K the same sources are estimating for Russia, but still ver…

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Re: One Year into the War in Ukraine

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> Actually, if you read Western mainstream media front line reports, past the headlines and between the lines, a picture of very heavy losses emerges. You don’t even have to read “past the headlines and between the lines”. The most common estimates I’ve seen are around 120K killed+wounded for Ukraine, which are very heavily casualties. Not as heavy as the 200K the same sources are estimating for Russia, but still ver…

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> All in all Russian dead do not exceed 40k at the moment.

Based on…what? Intuition?

Re: One Year into the War in Ukraine

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Transnistria is literally controlled by Russian armed forces…

Which are there illegally as they occupy the territory of the sovereign nation of Moldova. Case in point, no other UN nation recognizes Transnistria or Transnistrean passports. Transnistrean citizens travel with Moldovan passports.

You are missing the point, it's still an asset under Russian control, whether you like it or not.

Re: One Year into the War in Ukraine

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I can show you the same trend in the Iraq War, and it doesn't make it not a war. I guess I'm not sure of the point.

The point is that it is an extremely silly justification to start a war which resulted in these numbers spiking ~100x for the civilian population in the affected areas.

I don't think Donbas is the entire justification is it? Also, we probably had even less justification to invade Iraq yet we stayed for 20 years. Makes it really hard to take any of the moralizing from the US & NATO seriously.

Re: One Year into the War in Ukraine

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I really doubt it's "zero". I've quizzed many many people I had connections with and literally all of them support the war up to some extent. The most common opinion is "we shouldn't have started this but we should win this war and take over Ukraine and Poland". It would be really strange to count such opinions as "anti-war".

> I've quizzed many many people I had connections with and literally all of them support the war up to some extent. I would have reconsidered my approach to making connections if that happened to me :)

1) I'm an asperger and my ability to build social links is severely impaired

2) I'm not in touch with these people anymore though I've tried to reach everyone I was able to and get their opinions. My conclusion is: the propaganda is extremely effective. People there easily pronounce self-contradictive statements and easily turn to aggression.

Re: One Year into the War in Ukraine

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I really doubt it's "zero". I've quizzed many many people I had connections with and literally all of them support the war up to some extent. The most common opinion is "we shouldn't have started this but we should win this war and take over Ukraine and Poland". It would be really strange to count such opinions as "anti-war".

Poland too, huh? Have they thought through the implications of that one?

Well, I may speak for hours about my observations.

Essentially they are sure that noone would vouch for Poland (also for Baltic countries). I've been shocked that well educated people, like software engineers, scientists, etc easily repeat the narrative of various propagandists and, moreover, they say that these are their own conclusions.

Re: One Year into the War in Ukraine

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I really doubt it's "zero". I've quizzed many many people I had connections with and literally all of them support the war up to some extent. The most common opinion is "we shouldn't have started this but we should win this war and take over Ukraine and Poland". It would be really strange to count such opinions as "anti-war".

Poland too, huh? Have they thought through the implications of that one?

War on NATO, Russia loses quickly or we all lose if nuclear war.
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