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Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by sundvor »

HPsquared wrote: post #33
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds of the parachute study that was shared here recently: https://healthjournalism.org/blog/2019/02/breakthrough-resea...

I love the meta irony of this article, taking the (somewhat satirical) journal article and playing along as an example of overblown science journalism with the headline "Breakthrough research reveals parachutes don’t prevent death when jumping from a plane". It's beautiful....

“We think that everyone might benefit if the most radical protagonists of evidence-based medicine organized and participated in a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled, crossover trial of the parachute.”

I'm still crying. :)

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by paulpauper »

The health effects of obesity are well advertised yet people continue to eat a lot. You see it on social media: people dining out with friends at restaurants with large plates of food, huge Superbowl parties, etc. evidently these people are not concerned. There are three ways of looking at this: these people are obvious to the risk, do not care, or the risks of obesity or being overweight are overblown. If the NYTs cares about stopping obesity, they should get rid of their food section, as food is the main contributor to obesity.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by vkazanov »

outside1234 wrote: post #39
ehPReth wrote: post #9

Man, food is so addictive and not like you can just stop eating it like you can quit drinking booze or quit smoking!

I don't try to adjust my food intake. Instead I adjust my exercise upwards if I gain a few pounds.

This approach his its limits. I used to run, climb, do boxing... eat whatever i felt like eating.

But traumas do accumulate. 10 km a day becomes impossible. Joints, spine, heart - everything has limits.

Counting calories isn't that hard and it works by the very definition of energy.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by taeric »

uptownfunk wrote: post #32

For those struggling, controlling your diet is the single most effective thing you can do to make progress on obesity. Much easier to say no to a 300 cal donut than to run 30 minutes. Cutting out the daily donut for two weeks is about a pound of fat. Maybe we need a “just say no” to junk food campaign like we had in the 90s. Lean meat, tofu, tempeh, seitan, veggies, low calorie sauces, limited fruits, protein smoothi…

True, but don't feel like you have to run for 30 minutes. Walking for that long will go a long way for a lot of folks. Really, walking should probably be looked at far more closely for many folks.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by JamesBarney »

exfatloss wrote: post #24
8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #14

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What's unique about food is that unlike smoking, drugs or booze, a human will always have to go back to eating, it's essential for day-to-day life unlike Jameson, Marlboro and meth. If you have a healthy relationship with food then you're fine, otherwise every day you're faced with willpower checks that you might struggle to consistently pass.

I don't think willpower has anything to do with it.

You don't think it requires any willpower to restrict yourself and change how you eat?

That might have been your experience but millions of other people claim otherwise. Either a million people are wrong, or you're an anomaly. I think the latter is more likely.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by remote_phone »

rdl wrote: post #46
nugget wrote: post #25

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For me, carbohydrate consumption and appetite are massively correlated. When I reduce carbs below 30g/day, my appetite is naturally suppressed (or avoids over-stimulation). Food feels much less addictive. It's easier not to snack in the face of stress. Keto probably added 10+ years on to my life expectancy. YMMV.

Same for me with eliminating carbs; combining keto + IF is pretty effective and I've lost about half of the weight from ATH to where I want to be through it. IF is nice because it provides an "all or nothing, but not forever" restriction, and keto is a reasonable framework for food selectivity. Keeping enough protein for not losing muscle and overall ideal; I wish I'd done this when I was 16 and not when I was in my…

I’m in my 50s and I will tell you that your metabolism changes. I was on strict low-carb and I hit a wall in terms of weight that I couldn’t get past. When I did low carb in my 30s I easily lost about 40 lbs but this time around I maxed out at 20 lb weight loss and couldn’t push it further.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by exfatloss »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #44
exfatloss wrote: post #31

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> It's a failure of self control. Disagree. The root cause of the problem is that you can't apply to more willpower if you don't know how to actually fix it, and we don't. There are currently 0 known methods to lose fat sustainably. Yea, you can starve yourself for a few weeks in a thousand ways, but none of them lead to lasting fat loss. Neither does any kind of exercise. We need to find the true root cause, or this…

Based on seeing what is in most shopping carts, most people are not even trying to control weight. Starving one’s self is not necessary. Not buying ice cream, cookies, chips, added sugar foods, and beer is necessary. Do not eat out, and do not let unhealthy foods into the house. And do not shop while hungry. The root cause is all that unhealthy stuff gives everyone a dopamine hit they want. Living in an environment t…

> Not buying ice cream, cookies, chips, added sugar foods, and beer is necessary. Do not eat out, and do not let unhealthy foods into the house. And do not shop while hungry.

I've done all that and more for 10 years and still gained 100lbs. Exercise didn't help, just made it worse. Yes, I've gained 20-30lbs (not muscle, I wish!) in a few months by exercising more. I've failed to lose fat doing 10 months of 4x per week intense exercise.

It just doesn't work.

Then I just lost almost 50lbs with some "crazy" diet experiment by eating as much heavy whipping cream as I feel like. No working out at all.

These mainstream theories of "just eat healthy" simply don't work for obese people.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by WillPostForFood »

exfatloss wrote: post #49
ManuelKiessling wrote: post #42

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How come that you think this?

Cause I just lost 48lbs without using any willpower: https://exfatloss.substack.com/p/losing-43lbs-in-144-days-on...

Give yourself some credit, you show a lot of evidence of willpower to try and execute things. If you are able to do 30 days of just about anything, you are better than most.

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To emphasize: the real point is the meta-framework of experiments. Formulate a hypothesis, design a 30-day experiment, test it. I’ve probably done dozens of these over the years.

Here are some examples from the last few years:

30 days of cold showers

90 days of no online news (I thought stress might contribute)

90 days of the carnivore diet

30 days of eating only at In’n’out burger

Doing Starting Strength, a beginner’s powerlifting program

Doing Simple & Sinister, a kettlebell training program

30 days of a low-fiber diet

30 days of a low-protein diet

30 days of a potato diet

30 days of drinking only distilled water (including for coffee)

Eating only pemmican, a raw meat paste invented by Native Americans

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by exfatloss »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #48
ManuelKiessling wrote: post #42

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How come that you think this?

Ozempic and Wegovy. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/31/opinion/ozempic-weight-lo... https://archive.is/rnTGB https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/01/30/1152039...

I wouldn't try these until they've been studied further: https://peterattiamd.com/the-downside-of-glp-1-receptor-agon...
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