while I like and use flatpaks, each time I try to use gnome software, I need to kill it and restart just too that it loads
KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
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Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
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Ubuntu is an African word which means "Afraid of Debian" Seriously though, just install Debian. It's not hard, the netinstaller may be text-mode but it walks you through the simple steps one by one just like Ubuntu's GUI installer. Anybody who's comfortable using Ubuntu in the first place should be able to get through the Debian installer just fine.
If you are using Ubuntu Pro(free or not) Debian isn't really an alternative. Also I am not sure if Debian is as fast as Canonical in patching CVEs. I like Debian, but after (free)Ubuntu pro, it really became attractive for me as a small server operator, its even better than free RHEL.
Would you please like to explain why it is better? Thanks!
Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
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Debian Sid makes a pretty good "rolling release" distro for home/hobby use at least, although I prefer OpenSUSE Tumbleweed for this.
Sid is unstable (by definition and design)b wouldn't recommend as a daily driver. Testing is a decent rolling release distro, though.
Testing isn't rolling release. Every 2 years, testing becomes stable, and stable becomes oldstable.
Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would I care? Ok Spotify has an old package with some vulnerabilities in it. But flatpak has it sandboxed so the worst you could do is maybe steal my Spotify session token. That's more a problem for Spotify than it is for me. They will go and fix their package and I will reset my sessions. Meanwhile we have distros lagging behind for years to provide a new package because they can't break all the things depending…
> But flatpak has it sandboxed so the worst you could do is maybe steal my Spotify session token. It has access to X11 https://github.com/flathub/com.spotify.Client/blob/0856c7641... >, so it could also be running a keylogger.
Which is an issue of the X architecture less of flatpack. Wayland is there for a reason
Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
#305I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…
I switched to Fedora Kinoite (KDE spin of Silverblue) to force me to go all in on Flatpaks, and now I love them. They make so much sense and work so well. I feel like the people who dislike them either never actually used them, or they’re just the type of person who hates change and will never be happy with new things.
Do you use an IDE, and if so, which?
Last I checked Flathub shipped with VSCode and IntelliJ, despite both having major broken parts. The VSCode workaround back when I tried Silverblue was to run sshd inside toolbox and remote Flatpak VSCode into it. It was definitely not a frictionless experience. And IntelliJ having the terminal and debugging broken removes most of the useful parts of the IDE for me.
Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
#306I feel like one thing that is still holding Linux Desktop and any initiative like this back is that we don't have really high quality linux laptops on the market. We have some people like System76 doing great things, but not in Europe and for all their great work its not the highest quality stuff from China with some serious limitations. For all the things the European Union funds, from chip manufacture, HPC and many…
What is the base data for your analysis? Is this data available?
And how did you come to the conclusion that "missing high quality linux desktops" are the thing "holding back" Linux?
Is this based on some statistical work you did?
If we talk about feelings - did you ever have the feeling that corruption, lobbying and blackmailing could play a role?
BTW - why do you think Linux is missing high quality desktops? I am working with very high quality Linux desktops since many years and I wonder why people are using such low quality desktop OS that are sold commercially.
Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
#307Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Meanwhile we have distros lagging behind for years to provide a new package because they can't break all the things depending on the old version. I'm glad I left this category of problems behind me 5 years ago when I switched both, my personal and my work laptop to arch-linux/i3wm. These two machines have been running for 5 years, almost daily, with almost no issues, with the latest software packages. If the hardwa…
My impression is that Arch is not technically unusual among distributions, but is simply well-polished, documented, and very active (and has an easy way to install unvetted community packages). If this impression is correct, you still run the risk of unnoticed outdated software if the amount of volunteers drop, or a particularly critical one no longer has the time. Which part of Arch's design prevents the issue descr…
>Which part of Arch's design prevents the issue described in the grandparent post?
As a former long-time Arch user, you're correct. It's "just" a distro not unlike the biggest one. The reason Arch repos are fairly well updated and big is the relatively easy to understand PKGBUILD format and the tooling around it, which lessens friction on package management.
Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
#308I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…
> Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian Most of these are proprietary. I view these third-party stores mostly as a way to ship proprietary software. Not sure what else they add, and the downsides of having yet another package manager on top of your system's are obvious. I'm surprised KDE is behind this. Some sort of packaging standard that works across distributions would be beneficial, but it'd have to be i…
If you are not on a rolling distro, it's a major pain to install latest versions of even open source apps.
Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
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They're not really user-hostile, they just have limited development resources and making a polished interface for editing the positioning of top bar widgets would be way too much work. If you want to try things on your own, that's what unofficial extensions and tweaking tools are for.
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Dude, please. You're posting a shallow dismissal of a project that's doing a lot of work to make *nix-like OS's more usable for novice and non-technical users. HN deserves a lot better than this.
Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
#310Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are several full time paid developers working on it which is plenty of resources (AFAIK more than KDE). They are not only actively user-hostile but also community-hostile. Every library or project they have under their umbrella receives updates all the time that only serve GNOME and potentially break all software dependent on it that are not part of GNOME (e.g [1]). 1.: https://github.com/thestinger/termite
The example doesnt seem to support your argument. The rationale the developer gives here is reasonable and looks like good stewardship of a shared library - the patch added a new API that was tightly based on termites' needs and provided little benefit for other terminal programs. What the maintainer wanted was a more complete API for the feature. The termite dev said he did not want to implement this feature in the…
That reading doesn't really agree with the maintainers' responses at all.
They say this is desirable functionality, but that they would want to subsume termites features in VTE and Gnome Terminal, and that was their rationale for rejecting the patch. Then they didn't deliver those features in a timely fashion.
That's just abhorrent behavior.