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KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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This fills me with dread. I don't think the app stores we've seen have been good things for a number of reasons. I hope, if this succeeds, it turns out to be a good thing.

Unlike google play, apple's appstore and canonical's Snap, flatpak isn't limited to a single repo, apps from other repos will show up in the store ui just like any other app.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Ubuntu packages get updated on a much faster cadence then Debian in my experience.

By design, yes. Debian prioritizes stability over being on the cutting edge. If you always want the latest and greatest, Debian isn't the right distro for you.

Debian Sid makes a pretty good "rolling release" distro for home/hobby use at least, although I prefer OpenSUSE Tumbleweed for this.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…

I use Fedora and this is how I use Flatpak as well. Some software does have some problems when used through Flatpak. I vaguely recall Blender's Flatpak version having some issues. I would also like to see more transparency with who is publishing the Flatpak on Flathub. Maybe I'm just dumb but it is not immediately obvious to me who the publisher is and whether or not this is an officially supported Flatpak application.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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I'd prefer to see more easily-communicated DE standards and published levels of adherence, rather than moving to the uni-desktop. Like if you want to select a desktop and are kind of new to desktop environments, maybe aim for the (imaginary example here) DE-5 level of standards-adherence. DE-4 and lower might suck in various ways even though they could have cool new features. There are way too many benefits from the…

I think that's what Freedesktop does, and why Flatpak heavily relies on XDG variables.

Where is this chart for levels in Freedesktop? I'm only vaguely familiar with the project.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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I'm an Ubuntu user and the first thing I always do in a new system is removing the Ubuntu Store, completely removing snapd, and installing the Flathub Store.

Honest question; why do you still use Ubuntu then? By now, Snap is such a fundamental part of Ubuntu that it begs the question whether Ubuntu is right for you if you want to avoid it. Why not use a derivative or upstream that makes different choices?

I use it mostly out of ignorance, but also because I’m fairly used to aptitude as a packet manager and kubuntu has a pretty solid distribution put together.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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maybe it's indeed time to let the system package management(apt,rpm,etc) just manage a solid BASE system, and let Flatpak etc to manage their own application sandboxes on top, kind of like dockers.

Appimage is macos flavor, it never needs your sudo to install the package, which is nice.

Flatpak is a redhat flavor(kind of), it needs sudo sometimes, but OK.

Snap is a ubuntu flavor(kind of), it is like systemd that can overtake the whole system, it can install package and even the whole system I was told, too much as a package manager for me.

I don't use Snap. Appimage is not as widely adopted as the rest two? I think Flatpak is a great middle ground.

It will be really cool if KDE and Gnome work together to build this.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question; why do you still use Ubuntu then? By now, Snap is such a fundamental part of Ubuntu that it begs the question whether Ubuntu is right for you if you want to avoid it. Why not use a derivative or upstream that makes different choices?

Ubuntu is an African word which means "Afraid of Debian" Seriously though, just install Debian. It's not hard, the netinstaller may be text-mode but it walks you through the simple steps one by one just like Ubuntu's GUI installer. Anybody who's comfortable using Ubuntu in the first place should be able to get through the Debian installer just fine.

One reason is 3rd party software. Frequently there is a deb compatible with the last couple of ubu LTS releases. Seems like more frequently than Debian stable releases? There's always things you don't like, are not distro packaged, but have to install for reasons to get work done to get paid. Xilinx vivado being the first example for me that springs to mind but I'm sure there are others and I'm sure I don't know what the next one will be yet. I feel like when it crops up ubu LTS is a better bet than debian stable. I'd love to be shown to be wrong about that.

Running with the crowd has some advantages. Many feet passing on the path before you trample more bugs before you get there etc.

For anyone looking to use debian I highly recommend it and prefer it to any other distro.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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post #57

This fills me with dread. I don't think the app stores we've seen have been good things for a number of reasons. I hope, if this succeeds, it turns out to be a good thing.

Unlike google play, apple's appstore and canonical's Snap, flatpak isn't limited to a single repo, apps from other repos will show up in the store ui just like any other app.

Yes, I understand that. That is orthogonal to my opinion of app stores, though.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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post #34

I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…

I use Fedora and this is how I use Flatpak as well. Some software does have some problems when used through Flatpak. I vaguely recall Blender's Flatpak version having some issues. I would also like to see more transparency with who is publishing the Flatpak on Flathub. Maybe I'm just dumb but it is not immediately obvious to me who the publisher is and whether or not this is an officially supported Flatpak applicatio…

they are adding a "verified publisher" feature very soon I think. I saw screenshots of the beta for it.
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