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KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by XorNot »

cld8483 wrote: post #35
mesebrec wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question; why do you still use Ubuntu then? By now, Snap is such a fundamental part of Ubuntu that it begs the question whether Ubuntu is right for you if you want to avoid it. Why not use a derivative or upstream that makes different choices?

Ubuntu is an African word which means "Afraid of Debian" Seriously though, just install Debian. It's not hard, the netinstaller may be text-mode but it walks you through the simple steps one by one just like Ubuntu's GUI installer. Anybody who's comfortable using Ubuntu in the first place should be able to get through the Debian installer just fine.

Ubuntu packages get updated on a much faster cadence then Debian in my experience.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by PlutoIsAPlanet »

tombert wrote: post #10
heywhatupboys wrote: post #3

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>relevant xkcd comic on standards inserted here

I agree that it is "yet another standard", but I gotta say that Flatpak is pretty sweet, and does actually do a good job of making "one package manager to rule them all". I think part of the problem with a lot of "selling stuff on Linux" has been mucking around with different dependencies for the thousand different versions of Linux. Historically, this has led to a couple solutions: either a) Just officially support…

Flatpak is actually made by the same groups of people who make these open source DEs, as well as the various open source stacks we use on the desktop, it’s had the advantage that it’s integration into the desktop is decent and quite cool (hello pipewire).

Regardless of your opinions of GNOME and KDE, it’s hard to argue Flatpak has anything but good intentions, it’s made by people who want the Linux desktop to be better

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by PlutoIsAPlanet »

awill wrote: post #37
eptcyka wrote: post #8

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GTK4 is getting them.

It's not GTK4, it's nautilus

The recent GTK4 release added them to the file picker.

Apparently changes in GTK4 made it easier to add

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by reilly3000 »

themodelplumber wrote: post #32
Liquix wrote: post #27

Opinions on Flatpaks/snaps notwithstanding, it's encouraging to see KDE and GNOME collaborating on projects like this. IMO desktop GNU/Linux has benefited greatly from moving away from offering LXDE/LXQT/Mate/Enlightenment/Cinammon flavors and towards a more digestible subset (GNOME only, GNOME/KDE/XFCE, etc) of polished desktop environments. Pipe dream, but it would be incredible to see all of the passionate, talent…

I'd prefer to see more easily-communicated DE standards and published levels of adherence, rather than moving to the uni-desktop. Like if you want to select a desktop and are kind of new to desktop environments, maybe aim for the (imaginary example here) DE-5 level of standards-adherence. DE-4 and lower might suck in various ways even though they could have cool new features. There are way too many benefits from the…

I really think you are into something here. Some simple rating and standard icon would help users differentiate quickly. I know and love distrowatch and the rest, but it’s definitely inaccessible for most beginners and hard to discover what the best fit is for me.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by PlutoIsAPlanet »

fooker wrote: post #11

Maybe Valve could fund them? Anyone have the connections to make this happen?

I believe Valve already makes contributions to Flatpak and its backend container stack, bubble wrap.

Valve actually uses bubble wrap on the Steam deck for proton.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by yamtaddle »

jdoss wrote: post #34

I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…

Last I tried all three of the semi-popular formats like this, AppImage was the only one that didn't feel fundamentally wrong (though what I gather was the closest thing to an official repository for them looked sketchy as hell—somehow they copied the exact CSS vibe as a content-scraped StackOverflow spam site). But that was a couple years ago. I know Snaps still suck, but haven't messed with Flatpacks since then, so maybe they're better now.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by PlutoIsAPlanet »

cld8483 wrote: post #39
throw_m239339 wrote: post #25

I had to use flatpack to install Bottles, I'm on Porteus because it's the only distrib I found that would fit on a 15 year old 512MB USB stick and then in the RAM directly... Let just say it wasn't a seamless experience but I'm glad I managed to run Cinema4D R20 or MPC Software with Bottles without too many bugs. Anyway Bottles is just fantastic, I tried Wine before but it never worked properly, but having to install…

AppImage is great, definitely the best of the bunch.

Said no one relevant

AppImage solves the packaging problem in a bad way (ugh, loopback mounts), but does not solve the dependency problem, try run AppImages compiled for Ubuntu on Fedora..

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by eikenberry »

wetpaws wrote: post #14

Why the hell do you need store when you have pacman/AUR

Because traditional packages are running out of steam. IMO people want a stable (not changing) underlying OS with a dynamic set of frequently updating applications on top. Arch nails the second part but completely fails on the first. Debian nails the first but fails on the second. Something new is needed.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by JohnFen »

XorNot wrote: post #51
cld8483 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ubuntu is an African word which means "Afraid of Debian" Seriously though, just install Debian. It's not hard, the netinstaller may be text-mode but it walks you through the simple steps one by one just like Ubuntu's GUI installer. Anybody who's comfortable using Ubuntu in the first place should be able to get through the Debian installer just fine.

Ubuntu packages get updated on a much faster cadence then Debian in my experience.

By design, yes. Debian prioritizes stability over being on the cutting edge. If you always want the latest and greatest, Debian isn't the right distro for you.
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