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If you’re using desktop, then honestly look into fedora or arch (EndeavourOS). I really am not sure why Ubuntu is still being used. I know it’s the main thing people recommend but it is awful for day to day desktop use due to its release cadence and holding packages back.
95% of "here's how to fix that braindead default that's giving you troule" or "here's what that misleading error message means and how to fix it" how-tos or whatever, for servers, are written either for Ubuntu or Red Hat (and friends) and sometimes the exact same steps won't work even on Debian. 3rd party commercial software often supports only Ubuntu or Red Hat, and you're on your own if you use it on something else…
KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
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Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
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Last I tried all three of the semi-popular formats like this, AppImage was the only one that didn't feel fundamentally wrong (though what I gather was the closest thing to an official repository for them looked sketchy as hell—somehow they copied the exact CSS vibe as a content-scraped StackOverflow spam site). But that was a couple years ago. I know Snaps still suck, but haven't messed with Flatpacks since then, so…
How many different versions of OpenSSL are running on my laptop right now? Who can say? That's the beauty of flatpak: if you sweep the problems of software management under a big enough rug, they go away and never bother you again.
And how many of them are critically out of date because the software maintainer didn't update? Who can say? That's the beauty of flatpack (not).
With flatpack you have all the downside of static linking with none of its advantages, how exciting. (and there's nothing as cool as having 7 full linux distros installed on your computer at once, just because software can't agree on which base image to use)
Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
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How many different versions of OpenSSL are running on my laptop right now? Who can say? That's the beauty of flatpak: if you sweep the problems of software management under a big enough rug, they go away and never bother you again.
>How many different versions of OpenSSL are running on my laptop right now? Who can say? but that's a problem, too. i'd rather all things on a system be bottleneck-forced into using the latest version of security libraries that my system is actively updating; yes, this causes issues, but not issues like "There was a huge vulnerability found in X version Y, does it affect me?". in other words, i'd rather have system b…
Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
#264Opinions on Flatpaks/snaps notwithstanding, it's encouraging to see KDE and GNOME collaborating on projects like this. IMO desktop GNU/Linux has benefited greatly from moving away from offering LXDE/LXQT/Mate/Enlightenment/Cinammon flavors and towards a more digestible subset (GNOME only, GNOME/KDE/XFCE, etc) of polished desktop environments. Pipe dream, but it would be incredible to see all of the passionate, talent…
>...working together on one definitive GNU/Linux DE No thanks. GNOME dev hubris is the reason I use KDE
Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
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> but it would be incredible to see all of the passionate, talented folks working together on one definitive GNU/Linux DE. This would be terrible. Gnome and KDE have pretty conflicting ideologies. Gnome is super opinionated and Mac-like minimalist. KDE is all about user choice. If they'd collaborate it would end up something in the middle which would suit nobody.
> Gnome is super opinionated and Mac-like minimalist. The problem with this is that Mac, unlike Gnome, actually works. Gnome just has weird holes where old functionality was removed (like application menus!) and never replaced.
Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
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I’m not sure people will ever want to sell apps on a 3rd party store. Especially a Linux one. The entire industry has moved away from buying things directly on a single marketplace and moved to tying a payment or subscription to an account which works across OSs and store platforms. I’d be happy to pay for Linux software but there is no way I’d want to be tied to a particular distro/repo/storefront.
That's fair but some companies do want to sell their software and it's not particularly easy on Linux platforms. There's basically Steam or DIY.
If they used the royalties to hire people to audit the packages I might even consider paying for free software, but I'm afraid it will turn into walled gardens where small developers have no say and the big ones just deal with the problems because it's the only option.
I hope it turns out to be better with KDE and Gnome that come from a FOSS background but money makes people greedy.
Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
#267I feel like one thing that is still holding Linux Desktop and any initiative like this back is that we don't have really high quality linux laptops on the market. We have some people like System76 doing great things, but not in Europe and for all their great work its not the highest quality stuff from China with some serious limitations. For all the things the European Union funds, from chip manufacture, HPC and many…
Many things are holding Linux on the Desktop, but its more so that the competition is doing better and the Desktop market shifted First, Windows caught up, Linux used to have things that windows didnt in the late 90s and early 2000s, not most linux only app have windows ports, you can run any linux app on windows WSL , and now windows also have powershell Second, apple made a comeback, now many people who dont want w…
1. https://sneak.berlin/20230115/macos-scans-your-local-files-n...
Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
#268I feel like one thing that is still holding Linux Desktop and any initiative like this back is that we don't have really high quality linux laptops on the market. We have some people like System76 doing great things, but not in Europe and for all their great work its not the highest quality stuff from China with some serious limitations. For all the things the European Union funds, from chip manufacture, HPC and many…
Many things are holding Linux on the Desktop, but its more so that the competition is doing better and the Desktop market shifted First, Windows caught up, Linux used to have things that windows didnt in the late 90s and early 2000s, not most linux only app have windows ports, you can run any linux app on windows WSL , and now windows also have powershell Second, apple made a comeback, now many people who dont want w…
Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
#269I haven't been the biggest fan of flatpak and generally wish software would either be packaged as an rpm or an AppImage, but the OP makes a pretty strong case for why it's a good idea (because existing options are too niche, and have no ability to incentivize developers who need to get paid for their work. This leads to Linux desktop having far fewer applications available to them compared to windows and mac.) I do h…
> This leads to Linux desktop having far fewer applications available to them compared to windows and mac.) There's far fewer applications because there's a very tiny market share compared to these two OSes. Not because of the lack of payment systems.
Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop
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> I'd prefer to see more easily-communicated DE standards and published levels of adherence, rather than moving to the uni-desktop. What's the difference? If everything works perfectly with everything else, and the standards adherence is so high that you can't tell the difference which apps are from which organization, then how is that not a "unified DE"?
The difference is that one of those sets of standards is actually more of a file system hierarchy and API standardization thing, whereas the uni-desktop would presumably force a particular set of gui widgets along with the filesystem hierarchy and APIs that those widgets are built on. We of course already have something like this (POSIX, Freedesktop, etc). However neither is abided by very well and neither of them go…
There'd also be a standard for e.g. IPC-based interoperation with file picker dialogs, such that if you were running GNOME as your DE, QT apps would (tell the DE to) pop the (GTK!) file picker to open a file, which would then signal back to the app through some standard message format for describing picked files (maybe with the file-handles themselves passed over a Unix domain socket, if you want something like macOS's sandbox-piercing file-open-intent tokens.)
There'd be a single "accessibility DOM" standard, so that a GTK screen-reader could read the text out of QT apps.
There'd be a single shell namespace standard, with one common set of abstract data types (with multiple implementations), so that opening some GVFS virtual folder in a KDE app would actually work — probably through D-Bus integration between the KDE app and some libgvfs host runner agent.
And so forth.
The ecosystems of each DE would remain distinct in development, with apps designed to fit well together... but the feeling of DEs being walled gardens would be gone, because the various standards would force each app to be a "chameleon" to whatever DE it's running under.
There are a few tiny attempts at this under FreeDesktop. xdg-open(1) is a good start. But we could be doing so much more.