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KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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I'm not sure if PopOs uses flathub by default for its PopShop, but I've always had some issues with it and they prevented me from using it and directly using flatpak CLI.

- I don't know how to see running logs by default (if it's possible even) and it's a must when you have slow internet - sometimes it just hangs and I need to kill (probably leaving residue along the way)

hopefully my issues are my own OR it will get resolved as well.

other than that flatpak is amazing.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

#42
post #9

I'm an Ubuntu user and the first thing I always do in a new system is removing the Ubuntu Store, completely removing snapd, and installing the Flathub Store.

Here here! In answer to a below question, I use Ubuntu because of the number of sdks that mainly support Ubuntu but don't require the Ubuntu Store (which I personally find annoying). Also I like Synaptic. Though imperfect it's far less annoying, feeling less like a "curated experience" and more like a tool that's trying to get out of my way and let me work.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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post #34

I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…

I really like the idea.

I think the only issue I ever had with them was the inability to inject files inside. Do you know if that's possible?

I was trying to use a browser, I think Vivaldi, that had instructions for enabling widevine by copying a file to a certain directory, but I couldn't find a clean way to do so.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

#44
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>relevant xkcd comic on standards inserted here

I agree that it is "yet another standard", but I gotta say that Flatpak is pretty sweet, and does actually do a good job of making "one package manager to rule them all". I think part of the problem with a lot of "selling stuff on Linux" has been mucking around with different dependencies for the thousand different versions of Linux. Historically, this has led to a couple solutions: either a) Just officially support…

As a web developer currently working on a Debian laptop I don't know which software I would want to buy if I was using Windows or a Mac. Everything I was using for free to do this job with Windows in 2008 was also available on Linux for free, that's why I moved to Ubuntu in 2009. I never had to buy any software in all these years but maybe my use cases are pretty simple.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

#45
post #27

Opinions on Flatpaks/snaps notwithstanding, it's encouraging to see KDE and GNOME collaborating on projects like this. IMO desktop GNU/Linux has benefited greatly from moving away from offering LXDE/LXQT/Mate/Enlightenment/Cinammon flavors and towards a more digestible subset (GNOME only, GNOME/KDE/XFCE, etc) of polished desktop environments. Pipe dream, but it would be incredible to see all of the passionate, talent…

> LXDE/LXQT/Mate/Enlightenment/Cinammon

Of these, I would say that Cinnamon is one that could be comparable to XFCE or even GNOME and KDE. Seriously, it's good. The system settings menu has all of the options one could need and the look and feel of the dektop is very customizable.

I'm a KDE user, but if it ever stopped working/disappeared I would use Cinnamon. In fact I plan to use it whenever KDE Plasma 6 releases to wait out until the it becomes more stable.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

#46
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question; why do you still use Ubuntu then? By now, Snap is such a fundamental part of Ubuntu that it begs the question whether Ubuntu is right for you if you want to avoid it. Why not use a derivative or upstream that makes different choices?

Ubuntu is an African word which means "Afraid of Debian" Seriously though, just install Debian. It's not hard, the netinstaller may be text-mode but it walks you through the simple steps one by one just like Ubuntu's GUI installer. Anybody who's comfortable using Ubuntu in the first place should be able to get through the Debian installer just fine.

If you’re using desktop, then honestly look into fedora or arch (EndeavourOS). I really am not sure why Ubuntu is still being used. I know it’s the main thing people recommend but it is awful for day to day desktop use due to its release cadence and holding packages back.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

#47
post #34

I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…

One big tricky thing is plugins, such as for OBS. ABI incompatibility and sandboxing can make it tricky and confusing for end users. Flatpak itself could theoretically provide answers here.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

#48
post #34

I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…

So these integrate well now? I normally just use AUR for everything now, and remember having issues with a flatpak for rpcs3 a few years ago, ended up compiling from src

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

#49
post #27

Opinions on Flatpaks/snaps notwithstanding, it's encouraging to see KDE and GNOME collaborating on projects like this. IMO desktop GNU/Linux has benefited greatly from moving away from offering LXDE/LXQT/Mate/Enlightenment/Cinammon flavors and towards a more digestible subset (GNOME only, GNOME/KDE/XFCE, etc) of polished desktop environments. Pipe dream, but it would be incredible to see all of the passionate, talent…

I'd prefer to see more easily-communicated DE standards and published levels of adherence, rather than moving to the uni-desktop. Like if you want to select a desktop and are kind of new to desktop environments, maybe aim for the (imaginary example here) DE-5 level of standards-adherence. DE-4 and lower might suck in various ways even though they could have cool new features. There are way too many benefits from the…

> I'd prefer to see more easily-communicated DE standards and published levels of adherence, rather than moving to the uni-desktop.

What's the difference? If everything works perfectly with everything else, and the standards adherence is so high that you can't tell the difference which apps are from which organization, then how is that not a "unified DE"?

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

#50
post #4

$100,000 to build up a system that totally ignores the system package manager? Sounds great!

The system package manager is useful for updating the underlying system, not necessarily the user's environment. Think of it as a in the classic root/user divide. The system package manager is there for updating the core system and things like flatpaks/toolboxes are there for the users. They don't follow the same updating patterns so it makes sense to keep them separate.
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