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Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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post #50

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There's a vast chasm between "whoever wrote this article didn't think to link to a similar issue a year ago" and "the first incident was a malicious hoax".

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Just re-checked the org chart. There's no social media personal assistant.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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post #57

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Hi, Ed from OpenCage here, author of the post. We do have python tutorials and SDKs showing how to use our service for ... geocoding, the actual service we provide. I wrote the post mainly to have a page I can point people to when they ask why "it isn't working". Rather than take the user through a tour of past posts I need something simple they will hopefully read. But fair point, I can add a link to last year's pos…

I get frustrated at the number of things ChatGPT gets blamed for that aren't its fault. It is completely understandable that if there are repos out on GitHub like the one for Phomber[1] thant ChatGPT would find that code and have no idea that it was phoney. Suggesting that ChatGPT just made this up out of thin air when you know it didn't is not very responsible. 1. https://github.com/s41r4j/phomber

You are blaming the victim. OpenAI is to be blamed.

They know what they are doing. They provide something that sounds over-confident for anything it says, knowing full well that it can't actually know if what it generated is accurate because it is designed to generate plausible sentences using statistics and probabilities, not verified facts from a database. On top of it, they trained it on an uncontrolled set of texts (though IIUC even a set of verified text would not be enough, nothing guarantees that a LM would produce correct answers). And they provide it to the general population, which doesn't always understand very well how it works and, above all, its limitations. Including developers. Few people actually understand this technology, including myself.

Inevitably, it was going to end up causing issues.

This post factually presents a problematic situation for the authors of this post. How ChatGPT works or how it can end up producing wrong results is irrelevant to the post's authors problem. It just does, and it causes troubles because of the way OpenAI decided to handle things.

And it's not "fair enough, because this false stuff can be found on the internet".

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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post #68

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I thought for sure that must be glitching, so just tried on my ChatGPT Plus account with a fresh thread, but nope: > does 2 pounds of feathers weigh more than 1 pound of bricks? > No, two pounds of feathers weigh the same as one pound of bricks. The weight of an object is determined by its mass, and one pound of any object weighs the same as one pound of any other object. However, feathers are less dense than bricks,…

This is hilarious. ChatGPT even gave me a more bizarre example. > does 2 pounds of bricks weigh more than 1 pound of bricks? > No, 2 pounds of bricks do not weigh less or more than 1 pound of bricks. 2 pounds of bricks and 1 pound of bricks refer to the same unit of weight, which is a pound. Therefore, they weigh the same, which is one pound. The difference between them is only the quantity, not the weight. > It's si…

It even managed to give me this gem:

> 2 pounds of feathers do not weigh less than 1 pound of bricks. 1 pound of bricks weighs more than 2 pounds of feathers, but they can have the same mass.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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> All suggestions are welcome. Monetize it! Evil answer: Partner with an advertiser and sell https://api.opencagedata.com/geocode/v1/json as an ad space. This may be the first opportunity for an application/json-encoded advertisement. Nice answer: Partner with an actual phone lookup platform and respond with a 301 Moved Permanently at the endpoint.

there's no "actual phone lookup platform" you can't get a person's location by knowing their phone number, that's a huge privacy violation. You can get the location of your own phone via icloud or google's system for android. You could also install an app on your phone to track your phone's location. You cannot find people based on knowing their phone number, that would be a serious safety issue for you know people t…

What about phone numbers corresponding to a specific location?

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

#86
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, Ed from OpenCage here, author of the post. We do have python tutorials and SDKs showing how to use our service for ... geocoding, the actual service we provide. I wrote the post mainly to have a page I can point people to when they ask why "it isn't working". Rather than take the user through a tour of past posts I need something simple they will hopefully read. But fair point, I can add a link to last year's pos…

I get frustrated at the number of things ChatGPT gets blamed for that aren't its fault. It is completely understandable that if there are repos out on GitHub like the one for Phomber[1] thant ChatGPT would find that code and have no idea that it was phoney. Suggesting that ChatGPT just made this up out of thin air when you know it didn't is not very responsible. 1. https://github.com/s41r4j/phomber

Phomber is not the best example. Ed contacted the developer of that tool over a year ago about the issue and to remove mentions of OpenCage and as far as I see the author removed it https://github.com/s41r4j/phomber/issues/4

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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I'm curious -- does anyone know of ML directions that could add any kind of factual confidence level to ChatGPT and similar? We all know now that ChatGPT is just autocomplete on steroids. It produces plausibly convincing patterns of speech. But from the way it's built and trained, it's not like there's even any kind of factual confidence level you could threshold, or anything. The concept of factuality doesn't exist…

Remember the guy a few weeks ago that was being gaslighted by ChatGPT that this is the year 2022? Not only is it giving out potentially false info, but it will double down that it is right and you are wrong. Though, to be honest, that sounds like a lot of real people. The difference is, people are smart enough to not double down on try to say it is a different year and your phone is probably reporting the year wrong.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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This is the biggest problem I encounter when trying to use ChatGPT on a daily basis for computer programming tasks. It "hallucinates" plausible looking code that never existed or would never work, especially confusing whats in one module or API for something in another. This is where ChatGPT breaks when pushed a bit further than "make customized StackOverflow snippets."

For example I asked ChatGPT to show me how to use an AWS SDK "waiter" to wait on a notification on an SNS topic. It showed me code that looked right, but was confusing functions in the SQS library for those that would do the thing with SNS (but SNS doesn't support what I wanted)

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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post #75

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AFAIK, Bing AI is not itself an LLM, but rather a wrapper around ChatGPT, which itself is based on GPT-3, which is based on the GPT architecture, which is (roughly speaking) half of a transformer architecture, which is based on encoder/decoder neural nets which are based on ...

It's a newer, different GPT model than chatGPT.

To quote the Bing announcement post: https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2023/02/07/reinventing-sear...

> Next-generation OpenAI model. We’re excited to announce the new Bing is running on a new, next-generation OpenAI large language model that is more powerful than ChatGPT and customized specifically for search. It takes key learnings and advancements from ChatGPT and GPT-3.5 – and it is even faster, more accurate and more capable.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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> All suggestions are welcome. Monetize it! Evil answer: Partner with an advertiser and sell https://api.opencagedata.com/geocode/v1/json as an ad space. This may be the first opportunity for an application/json-encoded advertisement. Nice answer: Partner with an actual phone lookup platform and respond with a 301 Moved Permanently at the endpoint.

there's no "actual phone lookup platform" you can't get a person's location by knowing their phone number, that's a huge privacy violation. You can get the location of your own phone via icloud or google's system for android. You could also install an app on your phone to track your phone's location. You cannot find people based on knowing their phone number, that would be a serious safety issue for you know people t…

it's been reported numerous times that you can buy real-time cell phone location data: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17081684, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20506624, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32143256. you might need a little more info than just a phone number, but (allegedly) not that much more.
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