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Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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What would you call it instead?

"Makes stuff up." And it's us, the users, who have to realize this. I mean, I wouldn't blame OpenAI for this, at least not at this point, and the company will have to live with it, look how it can turn it into something useful instead, since there's no one to complain to.

Why wouldn't you blame OpenAI for creating a harassment campaign against the business based on nonsense?

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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I'm curious -- does anyone know of ML directions that could add any kind of factual confidence level to ChatGPT and similar? We all know now that ChatGPT is just autocomplete on steroids. It produces plausibly convincing patterns of speech. But from the way it's built and trained, it's not like there's even any kind of factual confidence level you could threshold, or anything. The concept of factuality doesn't exist…

I think "Explainable AI" is a related research direction, but perhaps not popular for language models.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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I'm curious -- does anyone know of ML directions that could add any kind of factual confidence level to ChatGPT and similar? We all know now that ChatGPT is just autocomplete on steroids. It produces plausibly convincing patterns of speech. But from the way it's built and trained, it's not like there's even any kind of factual confidence level you could threshold, or anything. The concept of factuality doesn't exist…

> But from the way it's built and trained, it's not like there's even any kind of factual confidence level you could threshold, or anything. The concept of factuality doesn't exist in the model at all.

I'm not super familiar with ChatGPT internals, but there are plenty of ways to tack on uncertainty estimates to predictions of typical "large scale ML models" without touching Bayesian stuff (which only work for small scale academics problems). You can do simple parametric posteriors estimation or if all you have is infinite compute and don't even want to bother with anything "mathy", bootstrapping is the "scalable / easy" solution.

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> All suggestions are welcome. Monetize it! Evil answer: Partner with an advertiser and sell https://api.opencagedata.com/geocode/v1/json as an ad space. This may be the first opportunity for an application/json-encoded advertisement. Nice answer: Partner with an actual phone lookup platform and respond with a 301 Moved Permanently at the endpoint.

there's no "actual phone lookup platform" you can't get a person's location by knowing their phone number, that's a huge privacy violation. You can get the location of your own phone via icloud or google's system for android. You could also install an app on your phone to track your phone's location. You cannot find people based on knowing their phone number, that would be a serious safety issue for you know people trying to not, for example, get murdered by their ex-boyfriends.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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I'm curious -- does anyone know of ML directions that could add any kind of factual confidence level to ChatGPT and similar? We all know now that ChatGPT is just autocomplete on steroids. It produces plausibly convincing patterns of speech. But from the way it's built and trained, it's not like there's even any kind of factual confidence level you could threshold, or anything. The concept of factuality doesn't exist…

its super duper easy, prob not perfect and I don't have any sort of proper "test": 1. I ask the model first if it seems like a question that benefits from an external answer 2. I talk to Wolfram alpha with some abstraction of the question 3. I wait for a response 4. I "incept" it into the final response, essentially a prompt that mixes in a context of sorts that contains the factual information.

you could cross check this stuff too with yet more models.

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There's a vast chasm between "whoever wrote this article didn't think to link to a similar issue a year ago" and "the first incident was a malicious hoax".

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Ed is my co-founder, he writes all our blog posts because I suck I writing. He also does more than half of our podcast episodes https://thegeomob.com/podcast (the guy on the left). Last I saw him (yesterday) he was real.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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I'm curious -- does anyone know of ML directions that could add any kind of factual confidence level to ChatGPT and similar? We all know now that ChatGPT is just autocomplete on steroids. It produces plausibly convincing patterns of speech. But from the way it's built and trained, it's not like there's even any kind of factual confidence level you could threshold, or anything. The concept of factuality doesn't exist…

That's basically what the new Bing is. It's a large language model that can run searches, and then use what comes back from those searches to generate answers to questions.

Whether or not the information that comes back from those searches is reliable is a whole other question.

I would love to learn what the latest research is into "factual correctness" detection. Presumably there are teams out there trying to solve that one?

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That's quite the predicament. I hope OpenAI will listen, to this and to anyone else in a similar situation. I'm reminded of the cases of ChatGPT recommends random people's personal phone numbers for various services. But yeah, don't trust ChatGPT for anything. Just earlier today I tried my darnedest to convince it that 2 pounds of feathers doesn't weigh the same as 1 pound of bricks, and it just would not listen, pre…

I thought for sure that must be glitching, so just tried on my ChatGPT Plus account with a fresh thread, but nope: > does 2 pounds of feathers weigh more than 1 pound of bricks? > No, two pounds of feathers weigh the same as one pound of bricks. The weight of an object is determined by its mass, and one pound of any object weighs the same as one pound of any other object. However, feathers are less dense than bricks,…

This is hilarious. ChatGPT even gave me a more bizarre example.

> does 2 pounds of bricks weigh more than 1 pound of bricks?

> No, 2 pounds of bricks do not weigh less or more than 1 pound of bricks. 2 pounds of bricks and 1 pound of bricks refer to the same unit of weight, which is a pound. Therefore, they weigh the same, which is one pound. The difference between them is only the quantity, not the weight.

> It's similar to saying that two one-dollar bills do not have more value than one five-dollar bill. Even though you have two bills in one case and one bill in the other case, the total value is the same.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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ChatGPT gets the rules to the pokemon trading card game wrong. It will tell you you can use 4 energy a turn. Convincingly. Not sure how it hallucinates this. The rule is 1 per turn.

A few days ago I asked ChatGPT if “pannekake” and “kannepake” are anagrams of each other.

It correctly stated that they are, but when it went on to prove that this was the case, it generated a table of the frequencies of the individual letters in these two words, and the table looked like this.

    Letter | Frequency in | Frequency in
           | “pannekake”  | “kannepake”
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    a      | 2            | 2
    e      | 2            | 2
    k      | 2            | 2
    n      | 2            | 2
    p      | 2            | 2
This reminded me that yes indeed, AI just isn’t quite there yet. It got it right, but then it didn’t. It hallucinated the frequency count of the letter “p”, which occurs only once, not twice in each of those words.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a vast chasm between "whoever wrote this article didn't think to link to a similar issue a year ago" and "the first incident was a malicious hoax".

I don't understand the original comment to suggest that. Rather: it's a known issue. ChatGPT does nothing new, and certainly doesn't do it by itself -- it just rehashes what others have already written. Like Google might send you visitors for something that's not even present on your website because others link to you mentioning it. What the comment suggested was that they're now bringing this up again to get attenti…

What the comment suggested is that the company deliberately created tools using their own API in a wrong way in order to write a blog post about it.

If that's not an accusation of being malicious I don't know what could be.

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