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Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Re: Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Post by manchego »

the_third_wave wrote: post #43
sinistersnare wrote: post #4

This seems to be a great resource! However, when I looked at prices, seats are quite expensive. Does anyone have any advice for finding cheaper train tickets?

> Does anyone have any advice for finding cheaper train tickets? What I did: - got a DB Bahncard 25 (25% reduction on all prices) - use the DB site or app to find the lowest-cost connections (enable "Show our best prices", only works 2 days in advance or later) - select the lowest-price connection which has a bearable number of changes and waiting periods, for me this ends up between 6 and 10 changes for the trip fro…

Also worth mentioning regarding Deutsche bahn ICEs, my understanding is that prices only increase over time. They never decrease like plane tickets do. And there's only a predetermined number of saver fares, so once those are gone, you have to buy the more expensive tickets (which are also more flexible, as opposed to the train-specific saver fares).

Re: Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Post by thriftwy »

agapon wrote: post #73

No night trains to / from Baltics?

They have mostly wasted their railway infrastructure following the collapse of USSR.

RVR[1] car maker wound down, some tracks has closed down due to lack of use or excessive wear. They have some commuter trains and some coordinated cross-border train pairs. Russia to Kaliningrad also runs through Lithuania as mandated by international agreements. I don't think you can embark at Vilnus though.

There were Moscow-SPb-Tallin and Moscow-Riga sleeper trains for a long time, but COVID and lack of funding led to their demise, and now the war, too.

There was also Moscow-SPb-Helsinki "Lev Tolstoy" sleeper train of the same fate.

1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rīgas_Vagonbūves_Rūpnīca

Re: Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

Symbiote wrote: post #78
yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukrainian trains are still working fabulously, and are putting most of the rest of Europe to shame. They’re cheap, reliable, and comfortable. Even in a war. The only frustrating thing is they don’t seem to be doing first class cabins going across the border into Poland anymore (because of the war), and taking a first class cabin across Ukraine to Lviv and then another connection across the border is not particularly…

I think expecting first class rail travel during a major war is probably the most entitled attitude I've ever seen on HN.

Have you visited Ukraine? Have you travelled by train in Ukraine? The first class carriages are still in use between Odessa and Kyiv or Odessa and Lviv, just not on the train between Odessa and Przemysl. I can't work out why.

Re: Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Post by insane_dreamer »

iShrimp wrote: post #46

Those sound good on paper but then reality hits you. Last summer we as a family decided to take a night train to reach our vacation destination. What should have been 6-7 hour car drive was ~12 hour train ride. Sleep was not great, getting to and out of train stations, herding two small kids etc so at the time we've reached our destination we were pretty tired. Much more tired if we just drove. The route back is wher…

Probably depends on the route / company. What route did you do? NightJet (OBB) is supposed to be pretty good.

Re: Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Post by b800h »

aziaziazi wrote: post #69
chrisandchris wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a waste in all ways. A car gets you where you want at the time you want. Whereas a train gets you close to where you want to go at some time. So better depends on what's more important to you. If you take a look at ecology, sure, trains are far better than a 1 person in a car. If you look at flexibility, cars are far more better.

Your oversimplified comparaison sounds good but is not true : trains spend (way) less fuel AND are more flexible: - you can pee anytime - you can choose different class without changing materials - you can book as much tickets for your whole family and kid's friends. Everybody will travel together, no separate cars, no additional drivers - and my favorite : you can enjoy your ride with meditation, work, movie... edit…

You used to be able to meet great people and have a good chat in the smoking carriage. Alas it is no more.

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Post by zokier »

dboreham wrote: post #50
arethuza wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the mountains aren't very high but they can be quite challenging and rather pretty: e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opAWJnD0Jro Also for more details: https://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/ Also, for the mountain bikers out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ_IQS3VKjA

> mountains aren't very high Yes and no. For example Aonach Beag is 4049 ft above sea level. But it basically begins at sea level. By contrast Mt Cowen, one of the highest local peaks near me here in Montana is 11212ft above sea level, but the bottom of it is roughly 5000ft so not that much higher in terms of actual mountain to climb.

Prominence is one measure of relative height of mountains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topographic_prominence

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Post by prmoustache »

joshe wrote: post #52
woile wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's not convenient for a whole family but more for solo travelers. A car with one traveller is an absolute waste. And instead is more convenient to travel by train

It's still better to fly.

When flying accross europe, you spend so much more time in the terminals and going in and out of the airports you need to sometimes double or triple the time of the actual flight to get to your destination. This + the usual extorsion to buy drinks and a meal in and off the plane + potential need for a uber/taxi. It soon becomes less appealing, even more so when you can't get a direct flight.

Re: Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Post by ant6n »

philposting wrote: post #18

I clicked to look at the highres version... and I really don't understand why websites feel the need to put PDFs behind an interface. Every common browser has a perfectly good PDF viewer built-in, in fact it's normally better than anything website-provided. Am I missing something?

This site is run by volunteer sleeper train fans, working with WordPress, not some paid web developers. But they’d probably welcome some more technical volunteers.

Re: Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Post by ant6n »

kergonath wrote: post #15
martopix wrote: post #9

There is a clear lack of connection toward France and Spain. EDIT: Paris is of course well connected, but southern France and Spain are not. I live in Zurich and it's quite easy to go north, south, and east by train, but going south-west towards Marseille, Toulouse, Barcelona is really inconvenient. And it's not just about Zurich, because doing so from Milan or Frankfurt, I would guess, is the same. However I heard o…

True. One of the issue is the different gauges. This used to be avoided by variable-gauge Talgo cars, and now by high-speed trains (TGV) on standard gauge on the Spanish side. But AFAIK there are no sleeper high-speed trains, and I am not even sure those Talgo are still running (and they also were not sleepers when they did run). So even in the best cases there could be connections but no direct services. Also, there…

One issue with running standard gauge trains to Barcelona are the extremely high track fees on the cross-border (Perpignan-Figueras) segment.

Re: Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Post by ant6n »

tmilard wrote: post #44

Wonderful global Map of all sleeping train ! My god, I Wish I had this map last summer when using my interrail pass. Why ? : - All sleeper trains are scattered with so many booking Apps or internet service. A real pain. Thanks for this wonderful MAP! Ps: If traveling in Europe, I recommend booking really in advance as most sleeping wagons are usually all booked 2 months before departure. ( In one trains only 2 cars a…

Many night trains running through Germany will have some intercity seating cars operated by Deutsche Bahn, which doesn’t operate sleeper cars anymore. The seating cars won’t require a reservation, just a ticket.
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