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But they are not a software company at the core. They need to be to pull this off.
I mean their self driving tech seems to be the most impressive out there
What are you basing this assertion on?
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That kind of implies that the new Mercedes OS will have some kind of POSIX API, since Qt doesn't really work without it. Their new Qt/MCU bullshit doesn't count.
Windows isn't POSIX, and Qt does just fine there.
Sorry, was talking more about embedded systems bindings. Qt has shims, obviously, to work with Mac/Win/GTK etc but when you're setting up Qt as the windowing system, it needs POSIX.
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Contrary to all the legends of "German quality/engineering" (of which there is certainly in certain industries) I've heard that German cars were shit during the 90s. Japan OTOH seems to be very aware of how these newfangled tech can screw your reputation.
> Japan OTOH seems to be very aware of how these newfangled tech can screw your reputation. My toyota is absolute crap, if this helps.
What's wrong with it? But yes it seems like more recenr toyotas are crap, especially the interior.
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The infotainment and lighting + other controls really sells it… I more meant that even from a style standpoint, I never had that happen when I drove a Honda. There’s also features like making the engine “purr” which works really well on dates. There’s just a lot of integrated features they can control, to the point that not only is it useable and I like it better than CarPlay. It also has tangible benefits and genuin…
> There’s also features like making the engine “purr” which works really well on dates. 100% it just plays some sound via speakers. Nothing to do with an engine. But a sale has been made.
It has a few things like this. https://youtu.be/mG3Uo0a8k5Q . It basically opens up the valves/exhaust a bit more for more noise. It's 100 % from the engine and not from speakers.
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#365Everyones talking about alot of negatives. But I have a E53 AMG 4matic+ coup. It looks amazing, like constant compliments, i've even had people compliment it and give me their number in a wendy's drive through. But the OS(MBUX 2) is actually really good, at first I was a bit negative on it. But the way they have everything integrated that isn't really possible with apple play is nice. The dash is customizable, I have…
Are you showing off here?
No, I'm just trying to build a point that the high end car manufacturers are able to get some wild integrations going on that differentiate them from regular manufacturers due to their software. Especially Mercedes, who regularly has the best tech in their vehicles, years ahead of the other manufacturer, and usually a year before BMW or other high end ones. This makes a very nice product. Since otherwise you run into an issue of "Why would I buy this", when the reason people get these cars is how integrated they are and the attention to details.
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#366Why does the automobile industry insist on keeping these things in-house when they are clearly terrible at them? I recall an interview with a Ford manager a few years back where they were asked something about adopting Car Play and the response was something like “we have people that can write software for us, so we won’t be using that.”
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#367I was recently an owner of a Merced-Benz commercial van, and the software was by far the worst part of that whole experience. It had obvious race-condition type bugs when it came to the user interface layer, but most frustrating was its tendency to succumb to some kind of memory leak on long drives where the entire head unit would just lock up and crash to a black screen after 6-7 hours of being turned on. Because th…
We had a young guy writing good software for us while he still was going to school. We still use it to get things done in production. Then he went to university. He came back for a summer job. He had the sudden urge to ditch everything he used to do and to use the newest unproven technology. Also he had a serious urge to install everything from Microsoft. Then he created a piece of slow software full of flaws and per…
> multi-threading for every button, to reduce the lag when drawing the UI
Maybe it wasn't needed for those internal apps, but for consumer electronics I wish everyone reduced input feedback lag.
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I have an EQB and I totally agree. I insisted on getting CarPlay but I used it once and I don’t see any need for it. Much happier with MBUX. However, this new Android based OS isn’t good news and I’m not sure I would want to get a new car with an Android based OS in it.
Android Automotive has been getting very good reviews in vehicles that has it (mostly because its performance is pretty good). If you look at e.g. Renault, it's also highly customizable by manufacturers so it's unlikely you'd even notice it's Android without looking into it. Although, as far as I know MB isn't on board for it - BMW is though.
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Do you think the talent pool of people that want to live in germany and don’t want to make substantially more working for american companies is large?
Have you lived in Germany? I would only consider going to the US for substantially higher pay. Also there are 80 million Germans, many of whom are fairly well educated and would like to work for Mercedes in Stuttgart.
Oh, I didn’t mean immigration, I meant there are US companies that have offices in Germany that pay more and likely scoop up the local talent.
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> Cruise will also disengage in heavy rain or snow That’s what it should do, honestly. It’s not safe to drive with cruise control in low traction conditions.
This is one unconscious bias from California-based self-driving companies: weather conditions worse than overcast skies exist in other parts of the world. Recently, I drove in a whiteout blizzard with huge flakes without much accumulation on the road. Road was drivable, but I couldn’t see road markings. The experience would have been less scary with some sort of augmented display to show the road borders.
https://telstarlogistics.typepad.com/telstarlogistics/2007/0...
> Developed by researchers at the University of California at Berkeley, the Advanced Rotary Plow (ARP) uses a network of magnets embedded along the roadway to guide the massive snow-spewing machine along the Interstate in zero-visibility conditions -- like a blinded pilot flying on instruments. Meanwhile, an onboard array of sensors sniffs out obstacles -- such as abandoned cars, hungry cows, napping yetis, or whatever -- that may lie hidden beneath the deep snows.
https://path.berkeley.edu/development-advanced-rotary-plow-a...
https://path.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/development_of... (pdf)
The PDF has a complete breakdown of how it works (and I mean really complete - like "here's all the gates in the magnetometers")
You can see some of the interface in https://highways.dot.gov/public-roads/janfeb-2001/safe-plowi...
> This ASP Human-Machine Interface is mounted on the windshield. Some of the worst visibility conditions on the planet can be overcome with the aid of the ASP cab-mounted display, which receives its data from the plow's collision-warning system. Radar sensing assists human sight to find the road and obstacles that may be in the way of the plow.
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https://conservancy.umn.edu/bitstream/handle/11299/901/20031... has a better view of the interface in figure 2.2
The MN version is GPS based while the CA version was magnet based.
> California suffers from extremely wet and heavy snowfalls in their mountainous terrain. Snowfalls of 4 to 5 feet during a single storm are not uncommon. This wet, heavy snow forces snowplows to operate at relatively low speeds. Because of these conditions and the previous experience the California team (CalTrans, University of California at Davis, and the University of California at Berkeley’s PATH program) has with magnetic based vehicle guidance, the California team focused on the application of magnetic vehicle guidance to this snow removal problem. In addition to the application of the magnetic technology, the California team developed driver displays designed to convey information provided by the magnetic lane guidance system to the driver.
> In contrast to California, issues with snow removal in Minnesota arise because of high winds which can blow light, dry snow at high rates across vast stretches of prairie. This blown snow can create significant drifts which must be continuously cleared in order to keep roads open. Under these conditions, snowplow operations are required to run at relatively high speeds to avoid road closures because of drifting. Because of these weather and geographic conditions, the Minnesota team focused on DGPS based solutions to this particular snow removal problem. The Minnesota team also developed driver displays designed specifically to convey lane keeping and collision avoidance information provided by the on-board systems.