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Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

#271

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Sure, there’s plenty of reasons to not have kids, I do get that. But “I’m happy with life but I think that everyone else’s is horrible misery” is an odd position to hold.

>I think that everyone else’s is horrible misery When did I ever say that? I don't care about others' lives, it's none of my business. I find life, as far as I experience it, to be overall horrible. I'm plenty happy regardless, but it's nonetheless not something I'm interested in foisting onto my hypothetical kids.

> not something I'm interested in foisting onto my hypothetical kids

Nor is anyone asking you to. Just, don't go around assuming that parents tell their kids that "life is, on average, fucking horrible"—instead, they show their kids how to be happy, like you are.

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

#272

I sincerely believe that I am a respectful, reasonably attractive, healthy, financially successful and emotionally mature person. I found dating so hopelessly difficult in America, that I decided to literally learn another language and relocate to another country. I felt like I had no future in America because of that. The difference where I am now is night and day. I have had to decline more dates and advances, whic…

Just out of curiosity, which is the country you have relocated to that seems to be much better than the US for dating?

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

#273

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Counterpoint: Ignore any advice that uses the phrase "maximize your value in the dating market"

And reap frustration in your romantic endeavors. Look, anyone can close their eyes and believe in fairytales. The advice I gave doesn't guarantee anything - it merely increases your chances of a favorable outcome. If you have issues with the phrasing, read it as "make yourself into a more attractive partner" or however it is politically-correct to phrase the above statement.

Your advice might be statistically correct and I don't doubt it works for many, but for the individual deciding whether to heed your advice, N=1 and the probabilities are subjective when N=1.

Also your first sentence and your third sentence are pretty much contradictory.

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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False. I do go out on weekends and approach women. Respectfully. While having basic hygiene and grooming and tasteful clothing. And I'm financially autonomous. And I work out regularly. And have a social circle. I'm perfectly average looking. All that gets me is friends. Loads of friends. Women who I share a conversation with and have a laugh with. Never any attraction or meeting up at a later date. Don't speak confi…

>All that gets me is friends Are you signalling that you’re looking for friends or partners? IME women don’t react well to crudeness or excessive directness but with a silver tongue you can flower up “hi I’d like to escalate” and as long as you are clear (by ‘clear’ I mean with an amount of sexy deniability) then that will act as a quick filter. Plus it takes cojones, which women also enjoy (IME YMMV IANAW)

Pile on even more "requirements" (things to do to increase one's chances) and you're proving the GP's point.

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

#275
post #273

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And reap frustration in your romantic endeavors. Look, anyone can close their eyes and believe in fairytales. The advice I gave doesn't guarantee anything - it merely increases your chances of a favorable outcome. If you have issues with the phrasing, read it as "make yourself into a more attractive partner" or however it is politically-correct to phrase the above statement.

Your advice might be statistically correct and I don't doubt it works for many, but for the individual deciding whether to heed your advice, N=1 and the probabilities are subjective when N=1. Also your first sentence and your third sentence are pretty much contradictory.

It's true that probabilities are subjective. It's also true that dating market behavior is very sensitive to small changes in the gender balance since behavior is set at the margins (i.e. when people pair off, any dis-balance gets amplified)[1]

That's true at the scale of a city, and it's also true in small cliques. Just like in poker (the analogy I keep coming back to), the table and position you sit at (and who you're playing against) matters much more than your absolute skill at the game. And you might still lose - chance is still a part of it, no matter how hard you try.

"A ratio of three college-educated men to every four college-educated women may not seem dramatically skewed, but Jon Birger insists that, in reality, it is. He uses a musical chairs analogy to explain how a 4:3 ratio can create such a large imbalance. Birger explains that after people start to marry off, that ratio quickly drops to 2:1, then 3:1."

"For his first book, “Date-onomics,” Birger studied this phenomenon in the perfect control setting: college campuses. He found that when there are more women than men on campus, students’ dating behavior is oriented more towards hookup culture and less towards monogamous relationships. (When men are in oversupply, the culture is more monogamous.)"

"Pop culture programs, such as “Sex and the City,” tend to paint New York City as a haven for singles — a place where single women can surely find a match. But if you look at the numbers, this is far from reality, Birger points out. In fact, if you live in the 10001 zip code in Chelsea, Manhattan, 78% percent of 20 year olds are females (according to the 2010 census). Birger advises that college educated women may have better luck in areas where the ratio is reversed, such as Silicon Valley or Denver— dubbed “Menver.”"

https://www.wgbh.org/news/lifestyle/2021/09/24/when-romance-...

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

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post #153

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Why 'reversion to the mean'?

Further down: "In more recent history, as a global average, about four or five women reproduced for every one man." The boomer generation was an anomaly because in the 1940's "everyone" (not literally) was having kids independent of ideology. Part of this was because of a vast flattening of status (the depression and shared misery of war probably had a lot to do with it). Historically (averaging over 1000s of years)…

I think you have a rather strange picture of preneolithic societies.

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

#277

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Tinder wouldn’t report that, since it’s not very encouraging for their customers. The source most linked seems to be someone on Medium who interviewed people: https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-g... Dating apps don’t make their data available to scientists, that would be nice though! For sure life is more easy for hot people, off or on dating apps. It’s true in bars and clubs too. In settings…

> Dating apps don’t make their data available to scientists, that would be nice though! Actually OKCupid did do that at some point, well, it was their own employees but they did extensive and very honest data analysis. After the company was sold those blog posts were erased, of course.

they're still in the internet in a few places if you know where to look, i.e. archive.com

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

#278

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Exactly this. I've been single for four months at 27 and dated a lot during that time and I noticed that the bar is set _so low_ to place yourself as a better candidate than, let's say 80% of other men, that's it's simply scary. Most men have literally nothing interesting to offer for a relationship. When you look at their situation from an objective point of view it's so obvious why they remain single and yet most a…

> hobbies that are almost exclusively shared by other men So all the best ones. Programming, GNU/Linux, complex bideo gamez... > and often show no interest in their potential partners' hobbies So all the braindead ones for people who for some reason are too cognitively limited or environmentally discouraged to be into the ones above. Sex, drugs, travel, shopping... This stark sexual partitioning is either a joint fai…

are you alright bro?

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

#279

I sincerely believe that I am a respectful, reasonably attractive, healthy, financially successful and emotionally mature person. I found dating so hopelessly difficult in America, that I decided to literally learn another language and relocate to another country. I felt like I had no future in America because of that. The difference where I am now is night and day. I have had to decline more dates and advances, whic…

>I sincerely believe that I am a respectful, Therein lies your 'problem'.

Whoa, what's wrong with respecting other people?

I assume your parent comment meant he doesn't respect them exclusively for being women and having fleshiness, but as a recognition of their qualities as human beings, if they're worth respecting.

At least, that's what any sensible adult should do. You can admire someone for being a good leader, honest, brave, smart, etc., regardless of their sex.

Re: Most young men are single. Most young women are not

#280

Boys are constantly chided for pursuing women all through school and the media. Getting denounced as creepy or weird. Actually following that advice will lead you to die alone though.

Some people are timorous and some people are reckless; unfortunately public messaging is calibrated for the latter.

Still unfair, because being timorous or reckless happens in both sexes. Media and law have practically demonized young men, and I'm afraid it's been done for clicks and engagement, not a pursuit for equality.

These days it's almost inevitable to see issues as black or white, but however boring, middle gray is usually the most fair position.

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