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Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Dalewyn wrote: post #53
olivermuty wrote: post #43

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You only use the template engine if you go through github.io or if you look at .md files in the UI. So you are not even «technically» using the template engine part of Github. However root commenters sentiment is still very valid, the sooner you realize how many people who are not particularly smart also work in this business the sooner :D Developers are starting to become a pretty decent average representation of th…

Smartness has nothing to do with project requirements. If the requirements say "no Github", you don't use Github. It's really that simple. The rules don't specify "github.io" or "load .md files", it broadly specifies "Github" the website "that generate[s] HTML from text" in no uncertain terms. If you then proceed to use Github, it's only fair you are disqualified.

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Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by denton-scratch »

Dalewyn wrote: post #53
olivermuty wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You only use the template engine if you go through github.io or if you look at .md files in the UI. So you are not even «technically» using the template engine part of Github. However root commenters sentiment is still very valid, the sooner you realize how many people who are not particularly smart also work in this business the sooner :D Developers are starting to become a pretty decent average representation of th…

Smartness has nothing to do with project requirements. If the requirements say "no Github", you don't use Github. It's really that simple. The rules don't specify "github.io" or "load .md files", it broadly specifies "Github" the website "that generate[s] HTML from text" in no uncertain terms. If you then proceed to use Github, it's only fair you are disqualified.

The rule didn't say "No github".

Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by paulluuk »

Dalewyn wrote: post #63
onli wrote: post #59

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I'm really sorry you feel that way. I dont even disagree that this BS exists, but it is almost nonexistent in my world. Just to say this is not the lesson the students have to learn.

It's good that students learn this lesson now than later. Right now they get to learn these lessons with no skin off their backs. They're kids, most of the stuff they do is of no consequence one way or another. Once they enter the real world and the workforce, they get to learn these lessons with prices ranging from reprimands to terminations. Hardly a fun thing to go through.

People have been using this argument against me since I was a child: "this is good for you because the big bad world will crush you", but frankly I thought it was nonsense back then and I still do.

The world is not filled with teacher-type people who will crush you for breaking rules. The world is filled with people who want to get things done, and know that the rules are only there to facilitate getting things done. If the rules get in the way to getting things done, they are ignored.

Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by justinclift »

OJFord wrote: post #82
justinclift wrote: post #18

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Yeah, to me they look like the output that I get when I'm writing with Go templates (non-minified afterwards). eg: {{ if eq .FOO "bar" }} {{ end }} {{ if eq .BAZ "bim" }} {{ end }} That ends up generating blank lines all over the place, very much like the output they have. ;)

Fwiw you can strip the space with: {{- [...] -}} (Or just one side) and put back the right amount with: {{ [...] | [n]indent X }} (Where X is the number of spaces to indent)

Thanks heaps, learn something every day. :)

Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by toastal »

boxed wrote: post #70
toastal wrote: post #27

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Training our next generation on proprietary tools like GitHub isn't the way though. Understanding a VCS (i.e. Git, Mercurial, darcs, Pijul, etc.) is great skill and almost certainly a job requirement, but a specific platform? Its classification as “industry standard” could and should be debated as well.

What you say is 100% true. And also 100% irrelevant to the topic at hand. The latter is the problem.

It's relevant. The article has a sarcastic section asserting that GitHub is an industry standard and job requirement. What I don't like seeing is a new generation thinking DVCS implies Microsoft GitHub.

Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by LightHugger »

bitwize wrote: post #54
peterkelly wrote: post #28

This is one of those important events in life where you realise that sometimes those who hold seniority over you aren't necessarily as smart as you are. This experience will help you to cultivate a healthy disrespect for authority. We all go through something like this at some point. The best thing to do is to find some sort of constructive way to channel your experience. One path I would suggest is to consider launc…

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That's not the lesson, the lesson is not to become someone like the person who disqualified them down the line. People who have rules instead of brains don't really belong in civil society!

Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by vertis »

DocTomoe wrote: post #69
themoonisachees wrote: post #47

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You are fooling yourself if you think libreoffice has feature parity with ms office, and gimp with Photoshop. Gimp doesn't even have feature parity with krita.

I have never, in 20 years in the business world - and that includes long years working closely with people in controlling - see anyone do something in Excel that could not be achieved in LibreOffice with similar effort. Yes, there is no 100% feature parity. But there is feature parity in the things that people actually use.

Yes, I think MS Office / Libre Office is a bad example. Adobe Cloud (Photoshop) to GIMP and Maya (or equiv) to Blender are far better points and counter points.

The Adobe Creative Cloud ecosystem has very strong lock in todo with workflow and collaboration (amoung other things). It's not that you couldn't do the vast majority of those things with another tool (open or not, e.g. Affinity), it's that the company you're going to work for is going to look at your Resume for experience with Adobe, and issue you a laptop with adobe on it, expect you to produce AI and PSD files (and now of course Figma for certain subsets).

GIMP is clunky and is not pushing the boundaries. Some of the newer smart tools in Photoshop are impressive in their ability to select and delete objects. Even Affinity which offers very polished products is going to struggle.

Blender on the other hand is a prime example of where an open tool can make strides to break the stranglehold. It has a very focused team of collaborators and a clear roadmap that is taking it from a tool that was quite hard to learn even if it was powerful into something that could become the industry standard.

The UX of Blender compared to what it was 5-10 years ago is so much better. I'm not sure the same could be said of GIMP.

That power comes both from strong direction and a growing and active community.

Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by shanebellone »

"GitHub IS NOT the industry standard for hosting code collaboration and version control through Git, an expected tool for anyone entering the industry and a priceless skill for any aspiring developer."

Is this a conflation of Git and GitHub?

Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by Dalewyn »

denton-scratch wrote: post #99
Dalewyn wrote: post #90

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Are they not? The rules clearly state "no Github", and when confronted with that fact their response is "it's stupid" and to go off on tangents about Github this and Github that. That's being ignorant of the rules, and being arrogant when you are told to abide them next time.

> The rules clearly state "no Github" Did you actually read the rules? "Template engine websites, tools, and sites that generate HTML from text, markdown, or script files, such as Webs, Wix, Weebly, GitHub, Jekyll, and Replit, are NOT permitted." That rule is NOT clear; it implies that Github is forbidden specifically as a "site that generates HTML". There's no reason to interpret it as meaning that you can't even li…

The rule is "Template engine websites, tools, and sites that generate HTML from text, markdown, or script files ... are NOT permitted." and goes on to mention an inexhaustive list of examples which names Github among others.

That is abundantly clear you cannot use Github.

If you didn't read the rules, that's ignorance. If you read the rules and knowingly violate them, that's arrogance. If you unintentionally violate the rules but rebuff fair judgments as stupid, that's also arrogance. If you argue pedantics to try and find loopholes, you're an asshole.

It boggles the mind why "no Github" is such a controversial point.

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