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World’s largest four-day work week trial finds few are going back

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Post by sokoloff »

Vinnl wrote: post #35
Invictus0 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You get healthcare 7 days a week but only work for 4. Salary is only one component of compensation

Dock it off my paycheck too, I don't care, I want that 4-day work week! Though of course, being in the Netherlands, my employer doesn't pay for my health insurance. Edit: as for the general point about compensation being more than salary, it is also common in the Netherlands that PTO is prorated to the hours you work per week. That is fine; I'm happy to scale everything down to 4/5th if I can scale my working hours d…

Agreed that it makes total sense to scale PTO. I think of my PTO as being “4 weeks off of my choosing”. If I worked 32 hours per week, I’d expect 128 hours of PTO instead of 160.

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Post by sokoloff »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #42
Invictus0 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You get healthcare 7 days a week but only work for 4. Salary is only one component of compensation

> You get healthcare 7 days a week but only work for 4. Salary is only one component of compensation Thinking of healthcare as compensation is what got America into the healthcare mess it's in today.

It emerged from government wage and price controls, wherein health care coverage was exempted. When employers couldn’t compete by raising wages (as that was made illegal), they chose to compete on health coverage. By the time the wage controls were rolled back, it was hard to get that genie back into the bottle.

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Post by sokoloff »

Tiktaalik wrote: post #102

I think a four day, 32h work week is a good idea, though I'd be concerned if companies were so restrictive around their contracts that they banned people from working elsewhere with their free time and extra day off. That should not be allowed to happen. Older employees that are established and have met various life goals (eg. owning a home) may be very satisfied to only work four days and to use their time for hobbi…

One argument in favor of a 32-hour week is that better rested employees will be approximately as productive as if they worked 40 hours. (I believe that for creative work.)

Take that away by having them juggle a second job and employers might be better off to just leave the workweek at 40 hours.

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Post by Loocid »

Invictus0 wrote: post #30
Vinnl wrote: post #28

It's the one thing I miss most from working for Dutch companies: being able to take a 20% pay cut and work 20% less. Theoretically, that should be a great deal for my employer: the extra rest, and just the way productive work is usually spread out across the week, means that my productivity definitely was not down 20% compared to now, so I was cheaper per hour. Yet even that culturally seems to be a hard sell in a ma…

You get healthcare 7 days a week but only work for 4. Salary is only one component of compensation

Good thing I live in a reasonable country and get health care whether I work or not.

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Post by blitz_skull »

HEmanZ wrote: post #125

In America I would really like to see people balance work and life better, and normalizing a 4 day workweek would go a long way to help that. We have a business culture and set of laws that I think results most people sacrificing too much life to get stuff that doesn’t make them happy. BUT I disagree strongly with this idea that anyone who works more than 30 hours per week is just unproductive. That’s just factually…

I think most folks, especially the ones I’ve spoken to on the issue—specifically object to the idea that more than 40 hours nets any real gain for KNOWLEDGE work. Results may vary. I don’t think anyone is arguing for example that our paramedics aren’t doing anything useful after 40 hours.

That’s the key distinction and as someone who has worked a distinctly bullshit job his entire career; I’m not rushing to spend any more time than I need to sitting at that desk.

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Post by code_biologist »

andromeduck wrote: post #121
JohnFen wrote: post #60

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My most productive time is similar to yours, from about 7 to 11am.

11 pm - 3 AM

+1. I really find that I hit my stride around 1am. Lovely for personal projects. Unfortunate for professional work.
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