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Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

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My pet annoyance is also the prohibition of opinion based answers. I've found many great answers, usually the top result on Google. But sadly the question is locked. Sometime the top answer (before the question was locked) was pretty much the right thing to do 5 years ago, but no one can add another answer. I do understand that opinion based questions are a moderation tar pit. But sometimes there aren't that many opt…

The difficulty is that questions that solicit opinion based answers often become unnaturally popular and difficult to moderate.

Consider https://stackoverflow.com/questions/84556/whats-your-favorit... and the "is another answer going to be useful?" Or https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1711/what-is-the-single-...

The "no opinion based questions" is a clear line that can be drawn (rather than other squiggly lines that are more difficult) that reduces the overall moderation workload.

You'll note that https://mathoverflow.net allows such questions - but they have many fewer questions per day and a much higher percent of the userbase performs moderation actions. This means that you can allow for that additional workload (which is a few questions rather than hundreds or thousands) to be spread across a larger part of the site's users.

If you want Stack Overflow to allow such questions, then get 1% of the user base to close questions that should be closed every day so that the moderation tasks on them don't get too heavy on too small a group of people who would eventually say "we're not carefully moderating this anymore and instead not allowing those questions at all."

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#212

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I get that technically this is correct (the best kind of correct). But the UX of the site is basically "post a question, get modded to shit" now. I don't think the original author is complaining about the functionality, or even the community (though debatable). I think they're complaining about the UX. And that's not something we can argue with - they think they're posting valid questions, and their experience is tha…

> But the UX of the site is basically "post a question, get modded to shit" now. I'm sympathetic - but have you ever noticed, when people complain about their questions being closed unfairly, how rarely they provide links to the questions? If I'd posted 5 great questions, they'd all been unfairly closed, and I wanted to convince other people that was the case, I'd be linking to them - why wouldn't I present the prima…

Ask, and ye shall receive:

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34722910

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34887968

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#213

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This is the problem with online communities in 2023. They no longer want to be communities. New people come and get told 'we already talked about that in 2012' or other super friendly things, and then leave. You have a core of grumpy longtime members slowly getting older and grumpier and a business model that doesn't want to be a community resulting in a 'community' with no interest in being a 'community'.

Isn't communities being uncomfortable with new members and change as much of an all-kinds-of-communities throughout history thing than an online-in-2023 thing?

Yes, but for a brief period of time it felt like most people saw this as a weakness humanity was in the process of overcoming.

What is sad is that several communities (not just SO by any means) discovered ways to rebrand this ancient vice into a modern virtue.

To be fair to SO, I believe they have made enormous progress in the last several years. They've been making pragmatic compromises away from their early idealism in favor of the messy business of being a healthy community.

I really enjoy the StackExchange sites these days (for the most part).

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#214

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> But the UX of the site is basically "post a question, get modded to shit" now. You are 100% correct. SO clearly has an issue as this comes up time and time again. I wonder if a ChatGPT like front for it would serve everyone better?

Yeah, probably. Even doing the modding in real time would help, I think: "Your question appears similar to these other questions, do they answer your question?" "Your question appears to be a rant, and doesn't actually ask a question. Is this true?" "Your question is easily solved: you have mis-spelled this configuration setting. Would you still like to post it?"

Yes to all.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#215
In the long 40+ year history of "social networking" (with that term construed broadly to mean "anything where people contribute") the most stale, boring, pedantic debates have always been "does this message belong on this forum?"

Besides SO have gotten that way, it's why almost no one wants to contribute to Wikipedia.

You could almost graph the decline of a forum as directly proportional to the percentage of content that debates that question.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

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I didn’t disagree with the goal. I question the owner’s stated goal vs the actual behaviors and utility to its audience. So is the goal descriptive or aspirational. If latter then describing the site that way reads more like an ad. Like taking musk‘s statements on what Twitter is “for” at face value

But the stated goal is consistent with actual behavior in case of SO. Musks claims are not consistent with his behavior.

Inconsistent with community behaviors. Same with musk in that the community’s behaviors can’t be entirely owned by management

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

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SO is stagnant directly due to this policy. Often time it is like taking a time-machine back ten years ago or more. For example a lot of JavaScript questions get answered with "use JQuery" even for things now built in, and no new questions can replace them nor is the timestamp on questions meaningful. SO's policy will be the death of SO. Nobody has a reason to participate, it is a super toxic community, and it is out…

It serves the function of a Q&A place to get help, just roughly and against its best intentions (eg a user may aggressively close your Q with some ideological nonsense from the site owners but still link you to another answer)

Time travelers preparing to travel to the year 2009 certainly find it invaluable.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#220

I just contribute questions and answers on the respective communities of the libraries and languages my question is about, which often have way more helpful and normal people. The moderation power of SO attract the horrible people and the abusive snark you get on the platform is just not worth it.

This is the way
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