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Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

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Post by andrewfromx »

ducktective wrote: post #105
andrewfromx wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't lie, yes. BUT I used to write the same type summaries with my human brain all the time here too. Is it wrong to get all these points from an AI summary? I guess you could argue HN might as well just auto summarize every article now!

I think we need sort of an etiquette code to disclose when a piece of text is AI-generated. Like when we say "Full Disclosure" or "IANAL"

i can't help think of Data from star trek, longing to be more human like. At some point can the AI be allowed to post with the same equal rights as humans. Picard would fight for Data's rights to comment on hacker news articles.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

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Post by fabian2k »

dietrichepp wrote: post #108
fabian2k wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You usually won't see a response, the moderator will either lock the post or more likely warn the user to stop the edit war and if necessary will suspend the user.

Interesting. I dug through my inbox and was able to find the answer, and evidence of the edit war itself is gone, except for the actual edit history. The comments have been removed. (Good riddance, but the process is less transparent for me.)

The actions to warn and suspend users are kinda intentionally invisible or at least less visible. The idea is not to publicly shame the users and to let them come back and continue to participate without attaching a public black mark to their account.

So you usually won't see a direct response when you flag something except that your flag is declared valid and the problem is resolved in some way.

The SO mods also handle thousands of flags per day, so they're even less chatty than mods on smaller sites might be.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

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Post by tsgagnon »

Izkata wrote: post #96
tsgagnon wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question mentioned by the original OP was "My last question (just now) asked about potential maintainability issues involved with a certain approach to CSS layout." which doesn't appear to be very open-ended, at least from my interpretation. I'll be honest, I mainly knew what the answer to your question would be, but I tried to put myself in the shoes of a newer user trying to understand what questions a person s…

Keep reading: > and asked for other concrete examples. It's explicitly asking for an open-ended list.

It's explicitly asking for an open-ended list.

If your goal is to come with any reason to label a question a "list question", then I don't think it would be too hard to find a way to label any potential question as a "list question" and have it closed.

A different interpretation would be that the question is about whether there are maintainability issues with a certain implementation of CSS. Which the question being potentially answered with a "Yes/No" where an obviously better answer might provide an example or two of issues that could arise.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

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Post by rglullis »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #52
fishtoaster wrote: post #36

I think a common misunderstanding about Stack Overflow is that it's a place to get your questions answered. It's not - that's only a secondary use case. The primary purpose of S.O. is to produce a searchable corpus of answers with few duplicates and pretty high-quality answers. They're optimizing for being the first google result for "how to do X in Y language." They're not optimizing for being the best place for an…

You’re just repeating what SO owners say, or aspire to. Why do you agree?

Because it's a reasonable justification. Why don't you agree?

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

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Post by commandlinefan »

nmilo wrote: post #88

Do I live in a different world than everyone here? Stack Overflow is awesome and I don't think I've ever had a bad experience with it (seriously). The response time is like 10 minutes or less since everyone there is so hungry for karma. The complaints about "closing questions" never really hit me because, when a question is closed, they usually point you towards an answer that helps anyways. They've always answered m…

I kind of wondered about that, too - I've asked a few questions on SO and never had one removed. Not all of them ever got answers, but I don't think any were ever removed or even downvoted.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

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Post by melling »

fishtoaster wrote: post #36

I think a common misunderstanding about Stack Overflow is that it's a place to get your questions answered. It's not - that's only a secondary use case. The primary purpose of S.O. is to produce a searchable corpus of answers with few duplicates and pretty high-quality answers. They're optimizing for being the first google result for "how to do X in Y language." They're not optimizing for being the best place for an…

Nope, if that was the case, people wouldn’t go around closing questions because you didn’t “try hard enough before asking”

I used to ask “interesting” questions to build that quality knowledge base, usually in less popular topics. At one point I had almost half the Emacs Lisp questions.

I eventually ran into this problem where I explained that I tried nothing before asking. I briefly debated with the admins, then said if they felt that way to delete all my questions and I would delete my account.

They agreed to delete my questions then quickly realized I had close to a couple hundred good questions then undid the delete.

Needless to say, I no longer feed the site.

Hopefully, with more advanced AI’s we can scrape the web, organize the knowledge, and have our questions answered, skipping the searching.

Programmers could quickly become proficient in modern C++, Rust, Go, Haskell, etc by “Pair Programming” with an “AI” assistant.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

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Post by wesleyyue »

I just contribute questions and answers on the respective communities of the libraries and languages my question is about, which often have way more helpful and normal people. The moderation power of SO attract the horrible people and the abusive snark you get on the platform is just not worth it.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

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Post by ROTMetro »

fishtoaster wrote: post #36

I think a common misunderstanding about Stack Overflow is that it's a place to get your questions answered. It's not - that's only a secondary use case. The primary purpose of S.O. is to produce a searchable corpus of answers with few duplicates and pretty high-quality answers. They're optimizing for being the first google result for "how to do X in Y language." They're not optimizing for being the best place for an…

This is the problem with online communities in 2023. They no longer want to be communities. New people come and get told 'we already talked about that in 2012' or other super friendly things, and then leave. You have a core of grumpy longtime members slowly getting older and grumpier and a business model that doesn't want to be a community resulting in a 'community' with no interest in being a 'community'.
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