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Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by Angostura »

oneplane wrote: post #427

So in other words, just like most "switched from X to Y" stories: it depends on a lot of factors and there is no one-size-fits-all. In this specific case however, the issue is much easier: author wanted a collection of components, not a packaged experience. So in other words: if the device is the goal (or having a collection of components), you might not enjoy an Apple product. If you want a specific experience, then…

I thought the basic summary at the end said a lot: "I wanted a cheap travel laptop I could replace without blinking an eye at the price."

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by bonestamp2 »

ghc wrote: post #259
niclo wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You will not find the same on an M1/2. In fact I'm not sure it even warms up? My M2 does quite regularly with only Chrome, Slack, VS Code and a few docker containers running.

I know from extensive debugging of this issue that docker is the problem. You basically can't run docker (as of 6 months ago...I hope this will eventually be false) on an M1/M2 without causing significant heating and battery drain. Since this is the fault of the OS, maybe Asahi will eventually be the solution.

Can confirm.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by thescriptkiddie »

browningstreet wrote: post #329

Regarding Lenovo: I bought an original Macbook Air. It always worked well. As it got on to about 10 years old, I took it in to an Apple Store a couple miles from my house and asked if they could replace the battery. The battery worked pretty well, but I figured.. the machine was going strong and if they still had batteries in stock, I should grab one now and the laptop will live even longer. They replaced the battery…

I had Apple quote me $900 to replace a failed screen (no visible damage, but no image either) and tell me that they weren't sure it would even work because of "liquid damage" to the mainboard. I can assure you that the computer never got wet. I bought a replacement screen from ifixit for less than half the price and installed it myself in an hour.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by [deleted] »

yamtaddle wrote: post #386
browningstreet wrote: post #329

Regarding Lenovo: I bought an original Macbook Air. It always worked well. As it got on to about 10 years old, I took it in to an Apple Store a couple miles from my house and asked if they could replace the battery. The battery worked pretty well, but I figured.. the machine was going strong and if they still had batteries in stock, I should grab one now and the laptop will live even longer. They replaced the battery…

Every single laptop I owned before switching to Apple was a huge piece of shit, in hindsight—like, probably shouldn't have been saleable, just a straight-up lemon by design. ... except an IBM (yes, it's that long ago) Thinkpad that was super-underpowered even for the time. Though, it did have the ~2-3hr actual-in-practice battery life that was typical of laptops at the time, no matter what they promised, so like all…

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Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by piperswe »

matwood wrote: post #383
unxdfa wrote: post #377

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Spot on. Comparing to Apple (I run both Lenovo and apple kit) I’ve lost two bits of hardware with apple for multiple days on repairs in the UK. A friend just got told that there’s a 2 month turnaround on his custom M1 MBP 16 which has a logic board problem. That scared the shit out of me enough to throw the money in on a Lenovo T14 gen 3 with NBD on site repairs. If I sell my apple kit I can afford to buy another ide…

It's odd to me that Apple has never offered a 24h turnaround (or cross ship) higher tier support package. This was a hold up for businesses using Apple machines for a long time. I guess enough employees started requesting Apple machines eventually getting businesses to offer them anyway.

AppleCare+ does cross-ship in many situations

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by browningstreet »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #426
browningstreet wrote: post #329

Regarding Lenovo: I bought an original Macbook Air. It always worked well. As it got on to about 10 years old, I took it in to an Apple Store a couple miles from my house and asked if they could replace the battery. The battery worked pretty well, but I figured.. the machine was going strong and if they still had batteries in stock, I should grab one now and the laptop will live even longer. They replaced the battery…

You know what they say. Windows for your gaming desktop, Mac for your laptop, and Linux for your servers.

Agreed on the Linux for your servers bit, for sure.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by sneak »

bedast wrote: post #384
_justinfunk wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know why.

Elaborate.

It's generic Apple-bashing from someone who mistakenly believes that x32/x64 laptops with 6-7 hour battery life were the pinnacle of computing.

The keyboards in the M1/M2 mac laptops are among the best ever shipped in any computers. They are absolutely not the janky butterfly ones Apple shipped some years ago.

Mankind has not made a better machine than the M2 MBA, seriously.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by _cenw »

tomxor wrote: post #421
browningstreet wrote: post #329

Regarding Lenovo: I bought an original Macbook Air. It always worked well. As it got on to about 10 years old, I took it in to an Apple Store a couple miles from my house and asked if they could replace the battery. The battery worked pretty well, but I figured.. the machine was going strong and if they still had batteries in stock, I should grab one now and the laptop will live even longer. They replaced the battery…

> I bought a Lenovo gaming laptop for my son These are not comparable. There are wildly different quality of laptops under the Lenovo brand. A ton of them are complete crap. Apple simply doesn't sell anything like that. The author is comparing to a Thinkpad specifically. Additionally, the 10 years old Apple that made your macbook is a very different company from today. Although they are still a premium brand, the rel…

The Legion 5/5 Pro/7 are very solid as workstations in my experience, and with the exception of the keyboard, everything I would want to service is accessible. I've switched the memory, added new SSDs and even repasted my Legion 7 Gen6. I've even been able to run VFIO virtualized Windows on these machines.

You're also exempt from the Lenovo panel lottery.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by kube-system »

wickedsickeune wrote: post #351
sockaddr wrote: post #342

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How do they create more ewaste though? Like many others report my experience is that apple products routinely last multiple times longer than other tech. I only just last week retired a MacBook bought in 2013, and it still worked just fine. Now someone else bought it and is using it. Things like PCs and android phones usually have some combination of cheap materials, bloat/crap ware or poorly designed software stacks…

In theory, Apple could still offer products that last many years AND are upgradeable, so that they only get partially converted to waste.

That's not really true, there are no sockets for LPDDR4X or LPDDR5.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by duffyjp »

loufe wrote: post #400
browningstreet wrote: post #329

Regarding Lenovo: I bought an original Macbook Air. It always worked well. As it got on to about 10 years old, I took it in to an Apple Store a couple miles from my house and asked if they could replace the battery. The battery worked pretty well, but I figured.. the machine was going strong and if they still had batteries in stock, I should grab one now and the laptop will live even longer. They replaced the battery…

Everyone has their own unique experience. I bought an IdeaPad in 2012 and to this day it is working well enough that I haven't replaced it (though when I'm home I have a modern tower I built 2 years ago). I could not be happier with the build quality and longevity. I must have 10 000 hours absolute minimum on that device, I really wish there was a counter in the BIOS I could check.

I have a ThinkPad R61 from 2007 that still works. It's a core2duo 1.83ghz with 4gb of DDR2 and GMA950 graphics so even with a really lightweight Linux install it's basically useless-- but it boots right up and the battery still works.
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