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Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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Modern pop music is a more refined commercial industry than it was in the past. It's been sliding further and further away from art and toward the commercial. It is what it is.

“Being good in business is the most fascinating kind of art.” — Andy Warhol

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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"Art that doesn't sell is just a storage problem." Had an artist tell me this once and it stuck with me ever since. He was referring to paintings, but has generally held for every other artistic endeavor. Looking through history art has always been commercial - it's just the audience that changes. For music, musicians who got paid used to be focused on the tastes of just the wealthiest folks who liked to go and be se…

> Looking through history art has always been commercial - it's just the audience that changes. Well, not exactly in the same way. Commercial is not about "catering to an audience", it's about catering to mass audiences, and the compromises that entails. For example, an "artistic" indie group catering to just a tiny minority is not just "as commercial" as a pop production, unless we stretch the term beyond recognitio…

> For example, an "artistic" indie group catering to just a tiny minority is not just "as commercial" as a pop production, unless we stretch the term beyond recognition).

But that indie band is not necessarily more artistic.

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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Exactly. That's what differentiates it from folk: Both are music of the people, but pop music was explicitly written for a commercial purpose, and it's existed in that form since before audio recording existed, as another poster mentioned.

As someone who has played in several original but not monetarily motivated pop bands, I have to somewhat disagree. If I showed up to a folk festival I'd probably be booed off the stage. I think the more salient difference is that folk music is accessible to produce (simple, common instrumentation). Pop music is accessible to consume (catchy melodies, danceable beats). One could say these traits co-evolved with the co…

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Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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So there’s an interesting prehistory to all this. The us music industry began in the late 19th century… and this is before the record! music publishing and songwriting was literally publishing… of the sheet music. The standard form of this was as a piano score, and that’s the form that songwriters generally had copywrite on. Now if you were to perform this you would obviously need an orchestration, and this was subje…

twitch Sorry, but since you used a phonetic misspelling twice, I suspect it's not a typo and you could benefit from being corrected. It's copy right . The right to make or distribute copies of a work. A copywriter is someone who writes texts for advertising or marketing.

Another correction worth pointing out - it’s Richard Rodgers, not Rogers. I thought it was the latter, but it’s actually spelled Rodgers.

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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post #57

I happen to know someone in the music industry. Not huge, but you might have seen them on MTV and you've probably heard their hits. They say modern songs get written by a huge group of songwriters in hotels. Individual words and phrases will earn credits. They go through the list of everything floating in the songwriters' heads and whittle it down on a huge whiteboard and anything put up there and put into the song g…

That process sounds easily automatable! I can’t wait for that to be unleashed so that human pop song writers can delve deeper.

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Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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The movie Yesterday has a relevant plot point. Late in the film, when Jack is putting out another album of Beatles music he really wants it to be called Abbey Road, but the modern music publishers decide that it will be titled "One Man Only". Because of this exact phenomenon!

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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post #57

I happen to know someone in the music industry. Not huge, but you might have seen them on MTV and you've probably heard their hits. They say modern songs get written by a huge group of songwriters in hotels. Individual words and phrases will earn credits. They go through the list of everything floating in the songwriters' heads and whittle it down on a huge whiteboard and anything put up there and put into the song g…

That process sounds easily automatable! I can’t wait for that to be unleashed so that human pop song writers can delve deeper.

Yes, but can you automate being a record company executive's nephew?

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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I suspect the mechanism of that will be that Disney lawyers and/or lobbyists will start throwing their weight around once AI trained on Disney media is making money for someone other than Disney.

Disney IP is still safe. The tech can generate new content but it still isn’t legal to distribute.

We don't know that yet.

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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Disney IP is still safe. The tech can generate new content but it still isn’t legal to distribute.

We don't know that yet.

Sure we do, AI changes nothing. I could have made the same content manually and it still wouldn't be legal because of the IP ownership on the characters.

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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For sure, but the trend for some teenager on TikTok skyrocketing to fame with a 100% homemade song is also a trend. A welcome one, in my opinion.

I'll take your word for it that that's true (not on Tin Tok). I'm glad to see it.

It's definitely happened. The biggest example that comes to mind has to be Lil Nas X's "Old Town Road". I guess he was 20 when it blew up, so not a teenager, but close enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Town_Road
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