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Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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Modern pop music is a more refined commercial industry than it was in the past. It's been sliding further and further away from art and toward the commercial. It is what it is.

The “Motown Machine” was a thing since the 60s where the artists didn’t matter as much as the writers, producers, choreographers, marketers etc

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

#32

Modern pop music is a more refined commercial industry than it was in the past. It's been sliding further and further away from art and toward the commercial. It is what it is.

If there's been an indie/garage wave of music since grunge swept hair-metal out of the top 10 I guess I missed it. I had come to enjoy the reactionary waves of music like folk, punk, college-rock, grunge: the music that often started in small venues or at parties, that somehow broke through to find an large audience that were sick of the commercial dreck that studios and labels were pushing.

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but once it becomes commercially useful in creative works that will likely change.

I suspect the mechanism of that will be that Disney lawyers and/or lobbyists will start throwing their weight around once AI trained on Disney media is making money for someone other than Disney.

Getty Images is suing Stability AI for copyright infringement:

https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/6/23587393/ai-art-copyright-...

It's a bit hard to argue against. Stable Diffusion was trained on Getty's images and it does reproduce them, watermark included.

Getty Images will win the case.

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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Modern pop music is a more refined commercial industry than it was in the past. It's been sliding further and further away from art and toward the commercial. It is what it is.

When was pop music not commercial? Isn’t this basically the definition of pop music?

You'd like to think that the music (that became popular) didn't start out that way though. You'd like to think that the Beatles were emulating their Black American heroes, writing songs that got the kids along the Reeperbahn to kick up their heels and belt a few more lagers. That it found a larger audience and caught on is what made it "pop"ular.

It's art when it moves the needle of what we think "commercial" means.

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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Modern pop music is a more refined commercial industry than it was in the past. It's been sliding further and further away from art and toward the commercial. It is what it is.

For sure, but the trend for some teenager on TikTok skyrocketing to fame with a 100% homemade song is also a trend. A welcome one, in my opinion.

I'll take your word for it that that's true (not on Tin Tok). I'm glad to see it.

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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It's a simple answer: remuneration. Songwriters get paid mechanical royalties, performance royalties, and synch fees anytime the song is used. Bands, for example, only get paid when their specific recording gets played. Therefore, if something gets remixed, covered, etc. you want to be the songwriter , not the band .

Reminds me of a story about Gene Roddenberry. (of Star Trek fame) Apparently he wrote lyrics to the original series theme song so that he'd get half the royalties every time it was played even though the lyrics weren't used. (Inside Star Trek: The Real Story, 1997, pp 178, 185)

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Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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call me old school, but it doesn't make sense to me that people get to live off the work done once, then repeated (recreated or reproduced by technology) while the 'creator'

in practice whomever owns the 'licenses' continues to collect payment for what the technology does (namely: machine-based repetition/reproduction)

I guess this is the way NFTs can make real sense: when whomever owns the NFT receives auto-blockchain royalty payments for the underlying asset (if/when the blockchain system gets political support)

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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Modern pop music is a more refined commercial industry than it was in the past. It's been sliding further and further away from art and toward the commercial. It is what it is.

When was pop music not commercial? Isn’t this basically the definition of pop music?

Yes, you are right. Though, I think the idea is that pop music has become more of an industry now than it was before, in the sense that every aspect of it is optimized and all those optimizations are pushed to the extreme over any artistic merit, far more than 30 years ago.

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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So there’s an interesting prehistory to all this. The us music industry began in the late 19th century… and this is before the record! music publishing and songwriting was literally publishing… of the sheet music. The standard form of this was as a piano score, and that’s the form that songwriters generally had copywrite on. Now if you were to perform this you would obviously need an orchestration, and this was subje…

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Sorry, but since you used a phonetic misspelling twice, I suspect it's not a typo and you could benefit from being corrected.

It's copyright. The right to make or distribute copies of a work.

A copywriter is someone who writes texts for advertising or marketing.

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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from https://sonosuite.com/en/blog/music-royalties-explained-the-... :

Mechanical Royalties: Refers to the payment made to songwriters whenever one of their copyrighted musical compositions is distributed or reproduced in both physical and digital formats.

My wife's cousin produced Music in NYC for a long time, he explained that of all the ways you got paid for Music being played, distributed, or sold, the songwriters got the biggest cut.

It was songwriters who sued "remixers" for a cut of the royalties based on the mechanical royalties clause of music copyright. They get the most money, they had the most to lose from creating a "loophole" based on sampling, so they prosecuted anyone who didn't credit them as a songwriter on their song if they had resampled something recognizable.

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