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Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by gwoolhurme »

thexumaker wrote: post #108
ux-app wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>i'm curious what you think is worthy of humans to do? whatever it is, it ain't making websites. >what do you then distinguish as enlightened pursuits painting your garage is getting pretty close to it I think.

To that extent nothing is worthy of humans to do. Nothing we do is truly unique. It only seems unique because we have a poor understanding of it. Might as well not exist or eat or poop because that’s not worthy

I do get the sentiment I will say. Like when I first got a job as a SWE all I did was CRUD apps and they are all fairly similar. Then I worked on wordpress for a while and it felt even worse. For about 6 years now I've personally moved away and work on some more exciting stuff. A lot of that though is still just DB read-write and display at the end of the day, and that's fine imo. I am very skeptical about AI however if I take the most positive spin and it automates away the boring? That could be good?

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by shock-value »

Nevermark wrote: post #97
shock-value wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The advancement with these LLMs lies in the fact that they can effectively learn to recognize patterns within “large-ish” input text sequences and probabilistically generate a likely next word given those patterns. It’s a genuine advancement. However it is still just pattern matching. And describing anything it’s doing as “behavior” is a real stretch given that it is a feed-forward network that does not incorporate a…

You are comparing systems that generated completion text based on statistics and correlation with a system that now models actual complex functional relationships between millions of concepts, not just series of letters or words. The difference is staggering. It comes about because of the insane level of computational iterations (that are not required for normal statistical completion) mapping vast numbers of terabyt…

It's modeling patterns found across the massive corpus of textual training input it has seen -- not the true concepts related by the words as humans understand them. If you don't believe me then ask ChatGPT some bespoke geometry-related brain teasers and see how far it gets.

I want to be clear that the successful scale-up of this training and inference methodology is nonetheless a massive achievement -- but it is inherently limited by the nature of its construction and is in no way indicative of a system that exudes agency or deliberative thought, nor one that "understands" or models the world as a human would.

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by Towaway69 »

ilaksh wrote: post #85
paxys wrote: post #25

While such examples are no doubt impressive, I haven't seen these AI tools do anything that couldn't otherwise be achieved by following a simple online tutorial. Bootstrap a fresh project, write hello world or fizzbuzz-equivalent code in a random programming language, generate a landing page...all of these tasks have long been commodified and aren't exactly worth big money. So I'm not scared for my job just yet . "Bu…

That's not true about self driving research plateauing. Tesla, Waymo and Cruise have all made significant progress in the last five years. What other categories of high tech reached their absolute peak right when everyone started to notice them? We can extrapolate because there are clear trends. And a long history of inventing new things when we hit a bottleneck. It's like someone looking at a car in the early 1900s…

Ironically cars have basically not changed since the 1900s: 4 wheels, a steering wheel and a polluting oil-based engine.

Sure we're now (100 years later) moving to computer steering and rare-earth elements batteries but the 4 wheels remain!

We have peaks in technology, then tend to profit before the innovation restarts - when profits sink.

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by Towaway69 »

resource0x wrote: post #107
ilaksh wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true about self driving research plateauing. Tesla, Waymo and Cruise have all made significant progress in the last five years. What other categories of high tech reached their absolute peak right when everyone started to notice them? We can extrapolate because there are clear trends. And a long history of inventing new things when we hit a bottleneck. It's like someone looking at a car in the early 1900s…

Or someone looking at Apollo Moon landing in the late 1960s and saying: "this may be the peak..."?

And have we been back to the moon? For moon landings it was peak technology.

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by shock-value »

ux-app wrote: post #71
shock-value wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The advancement with these LLMs lies in the fact that they can effectively learn to recognize patterns within “large-ish” input text sequences and probabilistically generate a likely next word given those patterns. It’s a genuine advancement. However it is still just pattern matching. And describing anything it’s doing as “behavior” is a real stretch given that it is a feed-forward network that does not incorporate a…

>However it is still just pattern matching the visual cortex in your brain is also "just a pattern matching" system. guess it's not very impressive by your standard. This[1] isn't my example (it's from another HN user), but if you work as a programmer and you're not absolutely jaw on the floor astonished by this example then I don't know what to say. Explaining[2] the emergent behaviour is literally cutting edge rese…

I'm arguing against the notion that these LLMs exhibit "emergent behaviour" as you stated. I don't believe they do, as the term is commonly understood. Emergent behavior usually implies the exhibition of some kind of complexity from a fundamentally simple system. But these LLMs are not fundamentally simple, when considered together with the vast corpus of training data to which they are inextricably linked.

The emergent behavior of Conway's Game of Life arises purely out of the simple rules upon which the simulation proceeds -- a fundamental difference.

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by Towaway69 »

joe_the_user wrote: post #6

It's entertaining to have an AI create a fantasy web page for a fantasy product that's clearly not serious. Entertaining but I see it sooooo much now that it's kind of wearing off. However I'd like to see AI create a web page for an product that's appealing and plausible. This would be closer to seeing if the AI as a human replacement or not.

The good thing about the Internet is that no knows you're an AI.

Perhaps this is already happening but the dogs aren't blogging about it.

/s

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by ux-app »

shock-value wrote: post #116
ux-app wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>However it is still just pattern matching the visual cortex in your brain is also "just a pattern matching" system. guess it's not very impressive by your standard. This[1] isn't my example (it's from another HN user), but if you work as a programmer and you're not absolutely jaw on the floor astonished by this example then I don't know what to say. Explaining[2] the emergent behaviour is literally cutting edge rese…

I'm arguing against the notion that these LLMs exhibit "emergent behaviour" as you stated. I don't believe they do, as the term is commonly understood. Emergent behavior usually implies the exhibition of some kind of complexity from a fundamentally simple system. But these LLMs are not fundamentally simple, when considered together with the vast corpus of training data to which they are inextricably linked. The emerg…

did you read the article?

emergent behavior in this context is defined as: "emergent abilities, which we define as abilities that are not present in small models but are present in larger models"

>The emergent behavior of Conway's Game of Life arises purely out of the simple rules upon which the simulation proceeds -- a fundamental difference.

this is a meaningless distinction.

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by tormeh »

Towaway69 wrote: post #114
ilaksh wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true about self driving research plateauing. Tesla, Waymo and Cruise have all made significant progress in the last five years. What other categories of high tech reached their absolute peak right when everyone started to notice them? We can extrapolate because there are clear trends. And a long history of inventing new things when we hit a bottleneck. It's like someone looking at a car in the early 1900s…

Ironically cars have basically not changed since the 1900s: 4 wheels, a steering wheel and a polluting oil-based engine. Sure we're now (100 years later) moving to computer steering and rare-earth elements batteries but the 4 wheels remain! We have peaks in technology, then tend to profit before the innovation restarts - when profits sink.

EVs predate ICEs. ICEs were really hard to make into something reliable and pleasant to use.

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by apsurd »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #109
apsurd wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i'm curious what you think is worthy of humans to do? often in life i find myself reminding myself that everything is just something to do. serious question, what do you then distinguish as enlightened pursuits vs not, for lack of a better word. edit to add: i painted my family's garage in my teens, manually. and i'm thirties now and when i go to my family home i see the painted garage. it never leaves me, the value.

>> i'm curious what you think is worthy of humans to do? Garden, tend land, and do arts.

After reading the replies, i'm understanding that drudgery has to do with lack of agency.

Can't websites be art too? A mindless CRUD app is framed as such if BigCo tells us to do it for the billionth time.

But if it's our agency that compels us, even tho it's still just glue and CRUD, our pov makes it different for us, and we still have a potential to express ourselves in some way, some tiny way.

So it's not that websites as a thing is somehow un-enlightened. Lowly for the robots.

No, it seems there's Art in anything, art is an expressed point of view. I do agree that human value comes down to Art.

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