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Open-source is broken: the sad story of Denis Pushkarev (core-JS)

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Re: Open-source is broken: the sad story of Denis Pushkarev (core-JS)

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We should have better institutions that can fund & support these vibrant world-bettering projects. Leaving support up to free market, making folks spend time fund-raising is a huge waste. This planet could be so much better eith such a small amount of coordinated effort.

NLnet grants are the only example that comes to mind. But these are short term, not sustaining.

Re: Open-source is broken: the sad story of Denis Pushkarev (core-JS)

#22

I myself am the beneficiary of many open-source projects. I readily acknowledge this. That said, where my mind keeps going to is that open-source software is in many ways similar to communism. And communism failed for a reason . If you want to freely give away your work, then by all means - do so. But do so with the understanding that you are promised absolutely nothing in return. No one owes you anything. This man w…

I fully agree with your statements that nobody is owed anything if they give their work/time to a cause. But it doesn’t give a free pass to others to demand work/fixes/time, or have a sense of entitlement, to that work, and become belligerent towards those that are giving their work to them.

Absolutely agree.

Re: Open-source is broken: the sad story of Denis Pushkarev (core-JS)

#23
I know of three open-source projects in recent times that have made it to the frontpage of HN for reasons concerning funding (Babel, Faker, and now Core-JS). Coincidentally, they are all JS/Node projects.

I wonder if many maintainers who end up feeling this way about open-source were ever good fits for open-source to begin with. At the same time, it's hard to say I wouldn't feel the same way as Denis if I maintained a project as popular as core-js thanklessly. I would like to think I'd have the power to just walk away once I realized it was unhealthy for me.

Re: Open-source is broken: the sad story of Denis Pushkarev (core-JS)

#25

I myself am the beneficiary of many open-source projects. I readily acknowledge this. That said, where my mind keeps going to is that open-source software is in many ways similar to communism. And communism failed for a reason . If you want to freely give away your work, then by all means - do so. But do so with the understanding that you are promised absolutely nothing in return. No one owes you anything. This man w…

Totally agree!

It's really a shame he missed the opportunity to gain popularity from this project. He just built and released it, without doing any sort of promotion or whatsoever.

Re: Open-source is broken: the sad story of Denis Pushkarev (core-JS)

#26
If somebody asks for charity, many people give them charity, because we owe that much to our fellow human beings. If the same person works for thousands of hours, and then says "hey, remember me? I gave you this thing that took thousands of hours to make, and I desperately need money, can I have some?" a large percentage of people will say "fuck you, how dare you try to shake me down for money!"

A slightly more nuanced but equally confounding position is: "I'd give you money, sure, but your license doesn't require it, so go piss up a rope buddy".

Re: Open-source is broken: the sad story of Denis Pushkarev (core-JS)

#28
I can relate to the thankless grind of something you love becoming a burden.

Back in the 90s I wrote a window docking system library for Delphi. It was shareware, not open source, and it brought in about £1000 a month.

It was the support that killed me. So many people doing really weird things with it I had never thought about. Was it my bug or theirs?

The bottom line is that one person can't maintain something in their spare time that a lot of other people rely on.

Re: Open-source is broken: the sad story of Denis Pushkarev (core-JS)

#29

I know of three open-source projects in recent times that have made it to the frontpage of HN for reasons concerning funding (Babel, Faker, and now Core-JS). Coincidentally, they are all JS/Node projects. I wonder if many maintainers who end up feeling this way about open-source were ever good fits for open-source to begin with. At the same time, it's hard to say I wouldn't feel the same way as Denis if I maintained…

Think about what this project really is too.

He’s single handedly maintaining IE and adding new features. It’s extra thankless because he’s not contributing a product feature to the person using it, but a compatibility layer to the system developers are targeting. He puts systems into a state they should already be in.

Re: Open-source is broken: the sad story of Denis Pushkarev (core-JS)

#30

It's not broken. Publishing and sharing something for free under free terms, and then attempting to pull the rug after two years of gaining popularity is.

He’s threatening pulling continued maintenance. The product can exist in its state, but it’s main use case is someone always keeping it up to date.

It’s more a service than a program.

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