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IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by ralfd »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #227
amm wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What's your source for good cost of launching satellite communication networks? - falcon 9 - $2700/kg - falcon heavy - $1400/kg - ariane 5 - $9000/kg > If the current one works - why would they? This is just low quality flame bait. If any of the before-mentioned (US) companies succeed commercially long-term, they will transform world-wide internet access especially in less developed countries. For clarification: as…

Falcon 9 Success Rate - 173 / 184 (94%) - Most of it LEO Falcon 9 Max Payload - 22 tons LEO, 8 tons GTO when all the conditions perfectly align and then it still kinda sucks. Falcon Heavy Success Rate - 5 / 5 (100%) - No track record Falcon Heavy Max Payload - 83 tons LEO, 26 tons GTO Ariane 5 Success Rate - 110/115 (95.7%) - 7 to 10 tons GTO, Most of it GTO Falcon Heavy's cost is still theoretical, when it has barel…

What are you counting here? Booster landing success rates? Then Ariane has a Zero here.

According to Wikipedia Falcon 9 Block 5 has a success rate of 100% (149/149) for launches.

Also I don’t understand your comment when the parent talked about commercial success and that American space companies are/will be cheaper than Ariane.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by dragonelite »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #217
mardifoufs wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For terminally online people, prehaps. But in real life, no, people aren't generally obsessed by twitter drama. Real life usage is what matters, and if it's good enough for the ukrainian army in an active war zone...

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Because Russia might just blow up LEO satellites, civilian objects/devices can now be blown up for national security reasons, the US recently normalised it with their weather/spy balloon saga.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by briantakita »

alright_scowl wrote: post #268
briantakita wrote: post #262

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Pot, meet kettle...seriously though, I don't think many people are inclined to "grow out of" advocating for their own self interests by giving up their freedoms to the state/bureaucracy. As long as there are power dynamics, those on the lower rungs will dare to annoy those on the higher rungs by sticking up for themselves...and vice versa Perhaps you meant "they will eventually sell their soul" instead?

Are you implying I gave up freedoms to state/bureaucracy? Which freedoms did I give up, exactly?

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by kstenerud »

RedShift1 wrote: post #30

I don't like putting more junk into LEO than we absolutely have to because it disrupts our space telescopes (which the EU has also invested over 1 billion euro in). I much rather have the funding go to improving land based internet infrastructure.

I'd much rather have available-everywhere internet whose use isn't subject to one rich man's whims and ideologies.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by nimos »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #227
amm wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What's your source for good cost of launching satellite communication networks? - falcon 9 - $2700/kg - falcon heavy - $1400/kg - ariane 5 - $9000/kg > If the current one works - why would they? This is just low quality flame bait. If any of the before-mentioned (US) companies succeed commercially long-term, they will transform world-wide internet access especially in less developed countries. For clarification: as…

Falcon 9 Success Rate - 173 / 184 (94%) - Most of it LEO Falcon 9 Max Payload - 22 tons LEO, 8 tons GTO when all the conditions perfectly align and then it still kinda sucks. Falcon Heavy Success Rate - 5 / 5 (100%) - No track record Falcon Heavy Max Payload - 83 tons LEO, 26 tons GTO Ariane 5 Success Rate - 110/115 (95.7%) - 7 to 10 tons GTO, Most of it GTO Falcon Heavy's cost is still theoretical, when it has barel…

That Falcon 9 success rate is for the first stage boosters landing. The current gen of Falcon 9 is 149/149 for launch success which would be comparable to the Ariane stat.

Looking at both recently they basically have a 100% success rate.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by weberer »

dageshi wrote: post #260
hkt wrote: post #252

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As a British person, I'd suggest you reconsider. Things over here are not so rosy. Drugs shortages, crazy inflation, no discernible benefits at all except to a government that hates judicial oversight of any kind.

I think inflation in the EU is roughly at the same level as the UK right now. edit: apparently this is a controversial statement

Its actually higher than in the UK.

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?con...

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by dotnet00 »

Deukhoofd wrote: post #62
kensai wrote: post #28

There is always bashing if there is something about the EU and its national projects, not always deserved. However sometimes I wished HN showed more of local projects. For example: has there been a post about the European AI? https://www.aleph-alpha.com/

It's honestly got to the point where I barely open comments related to EU projects any more. While most of the time there's somewhat nuanced discussions in comments, once the EU gets mentioned for some reason most of the comments basically boil down to "EU bad, US better", and "Big government bad", completely ignoring the actual contents of what the post it about.

Not all too different from Europeans smugly commenting about how crazy Americans are for having different priorities in threads that happen to relate to American issues.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by mlindner »

There's many organizations that have proposed Starlink competitors, but it turns out this kind of thing is hard. Starlink isn't the first to try this either, but they're the first to succeed.

There's very little hope of this getting funded or even if funded, getting developed sufficiently.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by flangola7 »

phkahler wrote: post #130
PicassoCTs wrote: post #83

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A crowd that is ideological resistant to reality in quite a entertaining fashion. Just remember the Boing 737 Max, which was never explored under this focus. Why does European airbus thrive, while us aircraft industry declined? Both are heavily state subsidized, so it is not that. There is something dysfunctional in us business culture, that extracts value first, and then runs without creating something for the value…

>> There is something dysfunctional in us business culture, that extracts value first, You just said it. When we prioritize the money over the activity that makes the money... We deprioritize the activity - it's at least second place if not worse.

If there was a machine that increased a company's stock value by crushing orphans invented today, tomorrow there would be lobbyists in Congress pushing to allow corporations to directly apply for adoptions.

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

alright_scowl wrote: post #266
drstewart wrote: post #256

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Funny cause Europeans always think their opinions of the US should be taken very seriously, and they have a lot of them

Funny, do they? I don't participate in threads about the US and its policies, so I wouldn't be able to tell.

Well, as someone who has lived in various parts of the U.S (mainly Utah, Oregon and Northern California), as well as Germany, Denmark, and is married to an Italian: Germans, Danes, and Italians often have a lot of cursorily formed opinions of the U.S, while in the U.S if people have strong opinions about the EU (and not actual familiarity) they are often not just wrong or stupid but also just as often completely unhinged from reality.

I'm guessing this is due to stupidity manifesting in different ways in their respective regions.

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