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IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by troad »

inglor_cz wrote: post #2

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You are right, though I’d add that the EU correctly reflects Europeans’ policy preferences here. European voters, more often than not, seem to believe they can have their cake and eat it too: free public services that remain competitive and cutting edge, somehow efficiently run by the government and delivered on time and on budget. Ask those same people about how is run, and they’ll have a litany of complaints.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by hkt »

988747 wrote: post #242
alright_scowl wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The odd part is that these bad takes seem to typically come from people that don't even live the EU, and don't understand how it works. They just don't like that it exists.

I live in the EU, understand how it works, and that's why I hate it, and I want my country out of it ASAP :)

As a British person, I'd suggest you reconsider. Things over here are not so rosy. Drugs shortages, crazy inflation, no discernible benefits at all except to a government that hates judicial oversight of any kind.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by Pungsnigel »

permo-w wrote: post #229
mardifoufs wrote: post #211

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This is a bit crazy to me since it seems like there is a constant, almost never ending praise for everything related to Europe here. But I totally get that it's probably a difference in what topic we browse and what comments we read, so your experience is just as valid. I guess it's just surprising to me!

that’s strange. every EU-related thread I’ve ever seen has had highly ranked comments poo-pooing whatever it is they’re planning to do. what’s your position on the EU? perhaps I notice the negative comments more because I’m very pro-EU, and vv for you?

Well EU != Europe for one. I’m positive to Europe, (mostly) negative on EU. Could be you are both right.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by shkkmo »

doubleg72 wrote: post #218
frankreyes wrote: post #132

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The whole point of Starlink is that it's economically unfeasible to reach everywhere. Specially in rural areas, neither cables, fiber optics or 5G will make it. Keep wasting money in Europe.

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There are all kinds of hurdles to running fiber. Even if you eliminated them, running power to remote properties is also expensive. If we had the ability to beam power from orbit to a relatively inexpensive dish, that would be even more revolutionary than StarLink.

Your name calling is inappropriate, please keep your discourse more productive.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by zzzeek »

lokar wrote: post #209
alright_scowl wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The odd part is that these bad takes seem to typically come from people that don't even live the EU, and don't understand how it works. They just don't like that it exists.

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> Extreme individualism and libertarianism is an extremely seductive ideology. Its simplicity and self-justification is very appealing to many HN posters.

yes!

> Most of them will grow out of it eventually.

not if PG has his way

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by drstewart »

alright_scowl wrote: post #248
permo-w wrote: post #220

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is that odd? it doesn’t seem surprising to me that Americans would think USA good EU bad

Forgive me for not taking their opinion about an economic block that they don't seem to understand and that their country doesn't belong to very seriously.

Funny cause Europeans always think their opinions of the US should be taken very seriously, and they have a lot of them

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by waihtis »

permo-w wrote: post #232
js4ever wrote: post #35

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Maybe because it's always in response to, and generally a failed copy costing billions to Europeans because of bureaucrats?

“because of bureaucrats”. with such a nuanced justification, perhaps you should consider the solidity of your position

Bureaucrats -> Horizon and the other incredibly murky EU funding programs that a good bunch of these projects come from, with the ”businesses” ending up only having the lifespan of whatever runway they have been able to build with EU funding

I presume thats the gripe with a lot of these ”EU” technologies

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by Kukumber »

concordDance wrote: post #44

Does it annoy anyone else that the title says "Musk's Starlink"? Yes, it was his idea and he is the main driving force and owns half of the company, but any project like this is a collaborative effort between tens of thousands of people.

It's propaganda, the US want to make sure it's clear to you that it's not an army project but "musk's project", a bit like how they did with google

They are good at it

https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci...

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by dageshi »

hkt wrote: post #252
988747 wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in the EU, understand how it works, and that's why I hate it, and I want my country out of it ASAP :)

As a British person, I'd suggest you reconsider. Things over here are not so rosy. Drugs shortages, crazy inflation, no discernible benefits at all except to a government that hates judicial oversight of any kind.

I think inflation in the EU is roughly at the same level as the UK right now.

edit: apparently this is a controversial statement

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