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IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by ben_w »

gizmo wrote: post #77
ben_w wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of places with surprisingly poor mobile coverage even inside the Berlin city limits. I think one way Starlink could massively improve the digital infrastructure here is to be a demonstration that it's possible to be better; the existence proofs of other nations doesn't have the same emotional valence as the existence proof of your coworker.

Serving the inside of a big city via satellite internet is ridiculous. Cell towers and fiber are what you want in all cities and towns.

> ridiculous

I'm suggesting ridicule is necessary, because embarrassment is the only way to make the incumbents to do better.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by frankreyes »

RedShift1 wrote: post #30

I don't like putting more junk into LEO than we absolutely have to because it disrupts our space telescopes (which the EU has also invested over 1 billion euro in). I much rather have the funding go to improving land based internet infrastructure.

The whole point of Starlink is that it's economically unfeasible to reach everywhere. Specially in rural areas, neither cables, fiber optics or 5G will make it. Keep wasting money in Europe.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by viraptor »

Ambolia wrote: post #70
inglor_cz wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are entire palettes of fantastically sounding plans to be found in Brussels. Don't get your hopes up.

Remains to be seen how the German economy evolves and if they are going to pay for it, because other EU countries probably won't.

Do you actually have information about the funding of this project or just joining the EU-org-bad crowd? ESA has a decent budget + optional projects. Those are agreed fairly early too https://www.esa.int/About_Us/Corporate_news/Funding

Citations welcome.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by peterfirefly »

threeseed wrote: post #92
nbevans wrote: post #54

They still haven't finished Galileo yet; with the project seemingly going backwards ever since the British were forced out. How will they deliver yet another moonshot project like this? They don't even possess reusable rocket technology yet to make such a LEO project economically viable.

Is it really a moonshot project ? ESA has plenty of experience in delivering projects like this e.g. Copernicus, Sentinel, EDRS.

The Sentinel satellites ARE the Copernicus program(me). Why are the EU spy sats, sorry, totally-not-spy-sats, so poor and so few compared to what the US has?

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by hef19898 »

0xDEF wrote: post #68
kensai wrote: post #28

There is always bashing if there is something about the EU and its national projects, not always deserved. However sometimes I wished HN showed more of local projects. For example: has there been a post about the European AI? https://www.aleph-alpha.com/

Also Stable Diffusion is made by a German organization: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stable_Diffusion

TIL!

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by Ambolia »

inglor_cz wrote: post #119
Ambolia wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most europeans countries have worse demographics than Japan if you don't count migrants.

True, but we were speaking about Germany's ability to pull economic growth specifically. Italy won't be saving European economic growth anytime soon, possibly ever, even though I actually love Italy.

Italian economy wasn't so bad until they joined the euro. The northern part still has decent industry even now.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by frankreyes »

wcoenen wrote: post #118
jevgeni wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Land based internet infrastructure doesn't solve the problem described in the article. Specifically: > It will secure the Union’s sovereignty and autonomy by guaranteeing fewer dependencies on third-country infrastructure, and the provision of secured telecommunications services for EU governments in critical scenarios where terrestrial networks are absent or disrupted, as observed, for instance, in the unfolding war…

In a large enough war, space infrastructure would actually be very vulnerable. Imagine a cloud of a few tons of shrapnel, spread around in an orbit that intersects all the 550km orbits of the Starlink constellation. This shrapnel cloud could be deployed with a single launch.

It's not that simple. Because enemy nation states also have their own satellites. They will just be damaging their own infrastructure, specially Russia with their huge land to cover they need their satellites.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by frankreyes »

concordDance wrote: post #44

Does it annoy anyone else that the title says "Musk's Starlink"? Yes, it was his idea and he is the main driving force and owns half of the company, but any project like this is a collaborative effort between tens of thousands of people.

Steve Jobs iPhone you mean?

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by sys42590 »

0xDEF wrote: post #17
sys42590 wrote: post #5

Sounds fantastic, but if we look at the history of the EU's Galileo GNSS [0], massive delays can be expected. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

There was little demand for non-GPS satnav. There is plenty of demand for non-Musk satcom.

The whole controversy around Musk is mostly a North American topic. I'm pretty sure that most Europeans that were left out in the rain regarding useful Internet speeds would love to use Starlink (if they can afford it) no matter which crazy billionaire owns the satellites.
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