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IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by echelon »

concordDance wrote: post #44

Does it annoy anyone else that the title says "Musk's Starlink"? Yes, it was his idea and he is the main driving force and owns half of the company, but any project like this is a collaborative effort between tens of thousands of people.

> Yes, it was his idea and he is the main driving force and owns half of the company, but any project like this is a collaborative effort between tens of thousands of people.

You named the reason. Another is that Musk is incredibly high profile.

High profile individuals accrete accolades and renown. If you don't like it, stop working for someone else and build your own startup. (I mean this in the sense of encouragement.)

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by Deukhoofd »

kensai wrote: post #28

There is always bashing if there is something about the EU and its national projects, not always deserved. However sometimes I wished HN showed more of local projects. For example: has there been a post about the European AI? https://www.aleph-alpha.com/

It's honestly got to the point where I barely open comments related to EU projects any more. While most of the time there's somewhat nuanced discussions in comments, once the EU gets mentioned for some reason most of the comments basically boil down to "EU bad, US better", and "Big government bad", completely ignoring the actual contents of what the post it about.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by yvdriess »

inglor_cz wrote: post #8
sys42590 wrote: post #5

Sounds fantastic, but if we look at the history of the EU's Galileo GNSS [0], massive delays can be expected. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

There are entire palettes of fantastically sounding plans to be found in Brussels. Don't get your hopes up.

Europallettes, yea

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by peterfirefly »

inglor_cz wrote: post #34
tifadg1 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no country called EU and there is no single market in that a startup could scale seamlessly in all 27 members - it'll still have to follow local laws. So it's mostly a matter of scale - if you can't outscale US/China/India, you can't compete with those that can.

That is somewhat of an indictment of the "single market" idea, or, more precisely, of its implementation. We still have shocking differences not just in tech, but in food quality across the EU. Whatever sells in Czechia, Croatia or Bulgaria tends to be a) more expensive than in Germany and b) less good. I can't imagine the same happening in the US; Mississippians wouldn't tolerate being fed with worse cheese than New…

> Whatever sells in Czechia, Croatia or Bulgaria tends to be a) more expensive than in Germany and b) less good.

I'm shocked that that is still the case. I remember recurrent news stories years ago on German TV about that exact thing, except with Poland. Poles who lived close to the border shopped food in Germany for that very reason.

I don't understand why food would be more expensive in countries with lower wages. The VAT rates are not that different.

https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2021-06/v...

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by _19qg »

inglor_cz wrote: post #29
ChemSpider wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and if it wasn't for a few outliers in Scandinavia and the Baltics, it would be negligible I agree that Estonia is doing great and a role model in many ways, but the by far biggest EU software company is still German: SAP Also, have a look at the very successful ELISE AI initiative: https://www.elise-ai.eu/

SAP is also 51 years old. There is no shortage of big, old companies in Germany. There is a visible shortage of successful young companies. In my comment edit, I mentioned the 20 year limit specifically, because the ossification in last decades is real. The US generates a lot more startups, even the London scene is livelier than the rest of Europe taken together.

There are roughly 1500 mid-sized companies in Germany which are among the world-leaders in their tech sector. You may never have heard it, but Elon Musk runs his factories with process automation from Germany (he bought a company) and robots from Kuka/Germany.

Germany alone has roughly half of all so-called hidden-champions world-wide. Many of them are in High-tech.

Europe lacks the large internet and software companies. Though T-Mobile is German and known in the US. SAP provides the software which runs large enterprises. But high-tech is much more, it's factory automation, it's aerospace (think Airbus), it's biotech (think Biontech), ... Soft- and hardware are a crucial factor for those.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by cypress66 »

concordDance wrote: post #44

Does it annoy anyone else that the title says "Musk's Starlink"? Yes, it was his idea and he is the main driving force and owns half of the company, but any project like this is a collaborative effort between tens of thousands of people.

Meh. It's like when the title says "X's wife". Yes, it's a bit demeaning, but that extra context is often useful to those who are new to the topic.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by 0xDEF »

kensai wrote: post #28

There is always bashing if there is something about the EU and its national projects, not always deserved. However sometimes I wished HN showed more of local projects. For example: has there been a post about the European AI? https://www.aleph-alpha.com/

Also Stable Diffusion is made by a German organization:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stable_Diffusion

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by pavlov »

kybernetyk wrote: post #6
inglor_cz wrote: post #2

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It’s funny that the leftists simultaneously believe EU is based on a religion of liberal capitalism and big corporations.

Maybe the reality of a 27-nation collaboration is richer and more complicated than either of these extremes.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by Ambolia »

inglor_cz wrote: post #8
sys42590 wrote: post #5

Sounds fantastic, but if we look at the history of the EU's Galileo GNSS [0], massive delays can be expected. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

There are entire palettes of fantastically sounding plans to be found in Brussels. Don't get your hopes up.

Remains to be seen how the German economy evolves and if they are going to pay for it, because other EU countries probably won't.
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