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IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by bigDinosaur »

wewxjfq wrote: post #16
inglor_cz wrote: post #2

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Europe bashing on HN is so lame. A German start-up developed a working mRNA vaccine the same time an American start-up developed a stupid blood test fraud. You wouldn't hear the end of it if it was the other way round. What big tech came out of the US the past decade? The juicer? If it's about Europe, every quibble is used for sweeping blows, when it's about the US, the failures are all swept under the rug.

All the recent major advances in generative AI appear to have come from the US. The US is an extremely innovative country, no matter its faults.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by jevgeni »

RedShift1 wrote: post #30

I don't like putting more junk into LEO than we absolutely have to because it disrupts our space telescopes (which the EU has also invested over 1 billion euro in). I much rather have the funding go to improving land based internet infrastructure.

Land based internet infrastructure doesn't solve the problem described in the article.

Specifically:

> It will secure the Union’s sovereignty and autonomy by guaranteeing fewer dependencies on third-country infrastructure, and the provision of secured telecommunications services for EU governments in critical scenarios where terrestrial networks are absent or disrupted, as observed, for instance, in the unfolding war in Ukraine.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by RedShift1 »

0xDEF wrote: post #36
RedShift1 wrote: post #30

I don't like putting more junk into LEO than we absolutely have to because it disrupts our space telescopes (which the EU has also invested over 1 billion euro in). I much rather have the funding go to improving land based internet infrastructure.

Putting more junk in LEO is a serious problem but SpaceX started this and now others will also enter the market. Why should Starlink have monopolistic control over the high bandwidth SATCOM market?

> Why should Starlink have monopolistic control over the high bandwidth SATCOM market?

I agree, but those satellites shouldn't have been there to begin with in my opinion. But it's too late now.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by nbevans »

They still haven't finished Galileo yet; with the project seemingly going backwards ever since the British were forced out. How will they deliver yet another moonshot project like this? They don't even possess reusable rocket technology yet to make such a LEO project economically viable.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by sofixa »

kybernetyk wrote: post #6
inglor_cz wrote: post #2

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> The EU is a religion based around big state

What is religious is the outright aversion to state intervention without good reason.

No, it's coordination between aligned states to do what is needed to improve things in general. GDPR wouldn't have been possible if it were a Danish or Estonian thing only. Same goes for DMA and DSA, the rail packages, anti-competitive rulings, normalisation in standards (like Micro USB and now Type C) and a million other things.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by lispm »

inglor_cz wrote: post #2

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> downvotes without rebuttals

you are trolling.

Estonia has high-tech exports of 2.6 billion USD. Germany has high-tech exports of around 200 billion USD, which makes it world-wide number three, with the US being number four. Data from the World Bank.

The city I live in has roughly four times the GDP of Estonia. We have for example one of the largest civil airplane manufacturing sites here. 40000 people are employed in aerospace in the larger region -> more revenue than estonia has GDP.

There is literally two orders of magnitude of high-tech you are ignoring.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by nip »

inglor_cz wrote: post #2

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Strongly agree.

Estonia is miles ahead of other EU countries when it comes to software culture and hygiene: other countries (such as France) still mostly see IT as a center of costs / necessary evil.

Estonians think from first principle and bring software early in any new endeavors.

Add to that the “show don’t tell” culture necessary in a world where Estonia is (still) an underdog

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by RobotToaster »

RedShift1 wrote: post #30

I don't like putting more junk into LEO than we absolutely have to because it disrupts our space telescopes (which the EU has also invested over 1 billion euro in). I much rather have the funding go to improving land based internet infrastructure.

I agree, but in the capitalistic economy that we unfortunately live in, competition is the only thing that will lower prices.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by WithinReason »

RedShift1 wrote: post #30

I don't like putting more junk into LEO than we absolutely have to because it disrupts our space telescopes (which the EU has also invested over 1 billion euro in). I much rather have the funding go to improving land based internet infrastructure.

The satellite orbits decay, they don't stay up indefinitely

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by inglor_cz »

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #40
inglor_cz wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I certainly do believe that there will be initiatives , but I am really curious about their results . One of the necessities is cheap access to the orbit, and I just cannot see the national behemoth space agencies developing economic, reusable rockets. The traditional rocket industry in the US was unable to do that either.

You know you're living far into the future when you hear "traditional rocket industry" said unironically.

Well, solid-fuel rockets are a pretty old tech (medieval China) and even if we restrict ourselves to liquid-fueled rockets that crossed the Kármán line, the first German A-4 did so several years before the transistor was invented :)
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