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IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by inglor_cz »

throw009 wrote: post #9
inglor_cz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is due to massive, shaping French influence on the EU. There are many relatively market-friendly nations in the EU, especially in the eastern half, but the EU is mostly an extension of the French model and without the British, it really started leaning heavily into the protectionist bureaucratic model. The UK acted as a brake of sorts on those tendencies and its influence is sorely missed, at least by people lik…

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Nope, there wouldn't be a chronic debt crisis in the Eurozone if the Germans really held so much sway.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by baq »

kybernetyk wrote: post #6
inglor_cz wrote: post #2

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Everybody has seen what Starlink does in Ukraine. Expect similar initiatives from China, India and Russia (once the shitshow is over.)

Heck the Pentagon probably has a plan B in the drawer for a Starlink-like constellation dated fall 2022 should Musk go more unhinged that he already is. LEO constellations went from ‘interesting’ to ‘paradigm shift’ overnight, nothing to be surprised about.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by inglor_cz »

baq wrote: post #12
kybernetyk wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Everybody has seen what Starlink does in Ukraine. Expect similar initiatives from China, India and Russia (once the shitshow is over.) Heck the Pentagon probably has a plan B in the drawer for a Starlink-like constellation dated fall 2022 should Musk go more unhinged that he already is. LEO constellations went from ‘interesting’ to ‘paradigm shift’ overnight, nothing to be surprised about.

I certainly do believe that there will be initiatives, but I am really curious about their results.

One of the necessities is cheap access to the orbit, and I just cannot see the national behemoth space agencies developing economic, reusable rockets. The traditional rocket industry in the US was unable to do that either.

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Post by scrlk »

inglor_cz wrote: post #7
kybernetyk wrote: post #6

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This is due to massive, shaping French influence on the EU. There are many relatively market-friendly nations in the EU, especially in the eastern half, but the EU is mostly an extension of the French model and without the British, it really started leaning heavily into the protectionist bureaucratic model. The UK acted as a brake of sorts on those tendencies and its influence is sorely missed, at least by people lik…

To quote "Yes Minister" (British political satire from the 1980s):

"You know what they say about the average Common Market official. He has the organising ability of the Italians, the flexibility of the Germans, and the modesty of the French. And that's topped up by the imagination of the Belgians, the generosity of the Dutch and the intelligence of the Irish."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvYuoWyk8iU

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by wewxjfq »

inglor_cz wrote: post #2

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Europe bashing on HN is so lame. A German start-up developed a working mRNA vaccine the same time an American start-up developed a stupid blood test fraud. You wouldn't hear the end of it if it was the other way round. What big tech came out of the US the past decade? The juicer? If it's about Europe, every quibble is used for sweeping blows, when it's about the US, the failures are all swept under the rug.

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Post by 0xDEF »

sys42590 wrote: post #5

Sounds fantastic, but if we look at the history of the EU's Galileo GNSS [0], massive delays can be expected. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

There was little demand for non-GPS satnav.

There is plenty of demand for non-Musk satcom.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by tifadg1 »

inglor_cz wrote: post #2

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There is no country called EU and there is no single market in that a startup could scale seamlessly in all 27 members - it'll still have to follow local laws. So it's mostly a matter of scale - if you can't outscale US/China/India, you can't compete with those that can.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

gizmo wrote: post #4

> This future satellite constellation infrastructure will allow for synergies with private sector to develop commercial services and provide with high-speed internet and communication in all EU territory. Satellite internet isn’t great for speed. Europe is also so densely populated that full 4g coverage is totally doable. I think satellite internet is cool, but it doesn’t serve a real need and I expect this project t…

> satellite internet is cool, but it doesn’t serve a real need

Starlink’s 100 Mbps [1] is faster than many European countries fixed averages and most’s mobile medians [2].

Also, the second sentence of this article cites the need: “critical scenarios where terrestrial networks are absent or disrupted, as observed, for instance, in the unfolding war in Ukraine.”

[1] https://bigtechquestion.com/2022/01/10/broadband/how-fast-is...

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_...

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by ChemSpider »

inglor_cz wrote: post #2

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> and if it wasn't for a few outliers in Scandinavia and the Baltics, it would be negligible

I agree that Estonia is doing great and a role model in many ways, but the by far biggest EU software company is still German: SAP

Also, have a look at the very successful ELISE AI initiative: https://www.elise-ai.eu/

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