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Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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> A most formidable female -> A most formidable woman What is the reasoning for this? Not following what is "wrong" in the original.

Good example of the artistic damage done by the committee. The wit of the original lay in the alliteration. Recall that alliteration is the oldest poetic meter in English. "Leoden litheost ..." -- Beowulf

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Honestly the most depressing thing I have read today. I loved these books as a hyper young boy that struggled in school. Reading his books was an escape and help foster in me a love of reading.

What kind of a dystopian nightmare society thinks it’s a good idea to alter works after the fact :(

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It turns out that Dahl was a real antisemite, to me that is more of an issue: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/dec/06/roald-dahl-fam...

I know very little about the beliefs or personal lives of nearly any artist whose work I enjoy, but I know that most people carry beliefs and histories that I would disagree with, so I have to assume that this is no less true of the artists.

It seems like fretting over the occasional artist that’s been “outed” is a convenient way to pretend that rest of them are somehow saints, when in reality nearly all of them have likely said awful things and treated people quite terribly sometimes. While exceptions might be made for egregious offenders, often the only real difference between the two groups is a lack of visibility into their personal lives. So why get so invested?

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Do you have any more details about that book (author, etc)? I really want to read it, but searching libgen returned nothing.

It's The Transgender-Industrial Complex by Scott Howard, published by Antelope Hill Publishing.

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> Use of gendered language is marginalizing to nonbinary people. References to brothers or sisters, or mothers or fathers, is offensive to nonbinary people? In all seriousness, not trying to start a flame war, why is that? Is a reference to hair offensive to a bald person?

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>For some reason the mental health profession has decided that this particular set of delusions should be reinforced, unlike other types of body dismorphia like anorexia.

I think the reason here is pretty simple: Turning someone into patient for life is profitable.

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I agree; the issue here is more than there's a Monkey Christ level of literary competence that went into these changes (and also what seems like much, much too much ambition about what to change).

I agree to a certain degree, the scope and fairly transparent agenda of the changes definitely make it more of a problem. I'm still put off by the project. I guess there's probably a small set of edits you could make that would be beneficial and not lose the original tone. I'm not convinced of the value of that project but maybe I could get behind it.

I think a more gifted set of writers could have made the same changes less dunkably, is I guess most of what I have to say here. I sort of do get the idea of excising the fat references, for instance --- I wouldn't, but I get it: these are books for kids, and that's a thing kids absolutely do get victimized over. But if you're going to do it, don't fuck up the music of the prose, or relocate the inflections to Oberlin, Ohio.

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I'd be interested in hearing the most credible/reputable sources speaking out in favor of these changes. I've exclusively seen commentators dunking on this (rightfully so), across the political spectrum. To be clear: I'm wondering if we can find specific people speaking up for this, not an analysis of whose side of the culture war is most culpable for it.

The most cogent analysis I've seen is that the changes were made by the owners of the books in order to sell more books.

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Is it? I think you have to kind of want it to be gendered.

Screeching is usually associated with high pitched sounds and that is associated with women, to the point men making loud high pitched noises usually gets called "screamed like little girl". I guess babies also count for screeching.

Sounds like a train of biases to me. Sure certain words currently have certain connotations, and certain words used to have some too. But isn't language allowed to evolve? If a word was used derogatorilly 100 years ago must we ensure that the word is never allowed to change. Rather than removing the connotation, these changes cement them by removing anyone's ability to change them.

To determine the meaning of every word as they've ever been and attempt to remove any that have ever been used in a way that could've upset anyone ever, just makes sure those words will continue to upset people and be painful. There are words with stronger denotations that would take generations to heal but these are words and concepts that the children of today might not even recognize. Should we attempt to solidify pain by hiding truth? Or would it be better to let the youngins change things the way they always do.

If you take their words, they'll just make more. And those new words will not have the ambiguity of our current language.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Of every change the ones to Augustus Gloop not being called "enormously fat" and instead being called "enormous" are the most jarring as his story is a moral parable about the dangers of gluttony. Even if you think such moral parables are wrong, the phrasing change isn't simply just aesthetic, it's fundamentally changing the story's narrative.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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post #37

> A most formidable female -> A most formidable woman What is the reasoning for this? Not following what is "wrong" in the original.

The new one sounds more like people speak today.

"He who knows only his own time remains forever a child." -Cicero
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