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Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As presented it is just designed to generate outrage, which it seems to be doing a grand job of on here. There's a relevant quote from the Guardian article... But the Roald Dahl Story Company said “it’s not unusual to review the language” during a new print run and any changes were “small and carefully considered”. So, Roald Dahl's family and the company they still control are perfectly happy with this. Why aren't we…

Why would I care what Roald Dahl's family thinks? If you look at the actual changes, the careful consideration resulted in aesthetic atrocities, reverting the punchy use of language that makes Dahl's work so wonderful and entertaining. People are outraged because the actions are outrageous. I reject the notion that I shouldn't be upset.

Quite a lot of them are using modern language instead of anachronisms:

> Unsurprisingly given The Witches’ subject matter, many of the edits are to do with depictions of women. “Chambermaid” becomes “cleaner”. “Great flock of ladies” becomes “great group of ladies”. “You must be mad, woman!” becomes “You must be out of your mind!” “The old hag” becomes “the old crow”

There is some removing of fat as insult. There is that too. But pretty much all changes in above paragraph sound better then old ones.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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> In Matilda, a mention of Rudyard Kipling has been cut and Jane Austen added. Burning books was at least honest.

You left out the full quote

> She went on olden-day sailing ships with Joseph Conrad. She went to Africa with Ernest Hemingway and to India with Rudyard Kipling

> She went to nineteenth century estates with Jane Austen. She went to Africa with Ernest Hemingway and California with John Steinbeck

Possibly because both Kipling and Conrad wrote books with colonial themes

At the same time, if that tone gets erased (e.g. the way Conrad writes about the Congo), they're erasing the premise of their erasing

Edit: the only way I can somewhat make sense out of their decision is because I've read the authors they omitted

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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post #17
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? Do you dispute that the story is true?

As presented it is just designed to generate outrage, which it seems to be doing a grand job of on here. There's a relevant quote from the Guardian article... But the Roald Dahl Story Company said “it’s not unusual to review the language” during a new print run and any changes were “small and carefully considered”. So, Roald Dahl's family and the company they still control are perfectly happy with this. Why aren't we…

>But the Roald Dahl Story Company said “it’s not unusual to review the language” during a new print run and any changes were “small and carefully considered”.

This is the first time I heard of this kind of language 'update'. That's not normal.

Shakespeare is genuinely hard to read and understand but we don't just change random phrases and words to match modern sensibilities. Even modern English translation will keep the original for reference.

>As presented it is just designed to generate outrage,

Because it is outrageous.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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post #16
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? Do you dispute that the story is true?

Leftist censors seldom deny that the story is true--often the facts are indisputable. They are just outraged that someone made the facts available beyond the pale of the progressive Magisterium.

Ok, but please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. The cost/benefit of that is the opposite of what we need here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Wow. This is so gross. I was a bit put out by the Dr. Seuss controversy a few years back, but at least in those cases, they just stopped printing the books (and, to be fair, the caricatures of various ethnic groups in If I Ran The Zoo are pretty bad).

It feels much more disturbing, though, to just silently update the language in the books to be more in line with modern sensibilities. Dahl was a man of his time, and as a general rule his books have good morals and values exhibited in them. They are perfect children's books, not afraid to dip into a little darkness or to poke fun at the adults who run the world, and that's a huge part of why they've been so successful and universally loved.

The mental attitude and sense of self-superiority it must take to feel comfortable taking the knife to something so well loved is really mind-boggling to me. I am very happy that I bought our collection of Dahl's books before this happened.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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post #40

Media changes, art is reshaped by new generations. Roald Dahl is dead, the rights to his books have been sold and people are updating them to keep them relevant. This happens to translations (as an example) all the time as the popular lexicon changes. This is how media and art stays relevant. The world changes. The owners of the books have a vested interest in modifying them to continue to be relevant. The tweaks hav…

I think exolymph did a good job of explaining why people care when she mentioned "the punchy use of language that makes Dahl's work so wonderful and entertaining" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34850273). Some of these edits cross well into Bowdlerism. They're also surprisingly extensive. That alone is interesting!

Dahl was a transgressive writer also for his day - at least I've always had that impression. His macabre deliciousness and sharp wit are what makes his books so good—like an Edward Gorey for kids, but not too much for kids. So some of these edits are artistically consequential, the same way that the Bowdlers' "Family Shakespeare" was (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_Shakespeare).

Things go in cycles, so I wonder if the Bowdlers will be rehabilitated. Probably not, because their specific motives are so anachronistic now. Also, their name has been a term of derision for 200 years and that's a black hole to get out of. But if you abstract away from the ideological specifics, the phenomena are remarkably similar.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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> In Matilda, a mention of Rudyard Kipling has been cut and Jane Austen added. Burning books was at least honest.

You left out the full quote > She went on olden-day sailing ships with Joseph Conrad. She went to Africa with Ernest Hemingway and to India with Rudyard Kipling > She went to nineteenth century estates with Jane Austen. She went to Africa with Ernest Hemingway and California with John Steinbeck Possibly because both Kipling and Conrad wrote books with colonial themes At the same time, if that tone gets erased (e.g. t…

The whole idea that colonial history needs to be swept under the rug is absurd. In fact it needs to be preserved, talked about and taught in a context of modern society. That’s how we stop the history from repeating itself.

- A person who grew up in a former colony

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