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I've posted on Hackernews before mentioning that I grew up in East Palestine and my entire immediate and most of my extended family either live in the town itself or within 20 miles. It's been surreal to see this event unplay in the media. Some things I haven't seen talked about: 1. How desperately poor most of the population in that area is. My fear is that if the crash has long terms effects people will never get j…
I think we all know corporates nearly always win if history is anything to go by! Even judges get lent on so cant be considered independent and free of influence.
If I was in your family and friends shoes over there, if I couldnt take a 4-6 week out of town vacation, I'd be increasing my Omega-3's intake to may be as much as 1g a day to increase my neutrophil size, keeping to a minimum Omega-6's as it already causes enough trouble in the western diet, cutting out all sugar from the diet except starch, to increase my neutrophil phagocytic capacity, and be taking some B12 to help my neutrophils remain normal with todays polluted world in general.
In other words, plenty of fish and potato from out of town.
Thats not a nice situation over there, but you are lucky it even got on the news, some things dont even make it onto the news in some countries.
Good luck!
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Or that Biden used federal authority to quash the railroad union protests for better wages as safer conditions.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3758436-senate-rejects-p...
Unfortunately a rigorous sampling and testing protocol by an independent registered laboratory (which is what you'd need for the collection of evidence that would hold up under legal scrutiny) is an expensive and involved process.
The technology needed is well-established, just collect a lot of vials of water, soil, stream bed cores etc. on a grid scale focusing on the entire region, paying attention to downwind zones from the accident in particular. Then they need to be run through an established, documented extract-and-analysis procedure (gas-chromatography-mass-spectrometry would be appropriate, maybe high-pressure-liquid-chromatography for some of the less volatile species).
You'd want to look for the species that were on the train, of course, but also the various combustion products (which could be more hazardous than their source materials) - the list I've seen is vinyl chloride, benzene, butyl acetate, ethylene glycol monobutyl ether, ethylhexyl acrylate and isobutylene, plus some other petroleum products. What kind of combustion products were generated is a more complex issue (phosgene has been mentioned, hydrogen chloride etc.).
At the very least, people should be collecting and labeling samples in a manner that provides proof-of-origin, maybe video documentation and so on. Here's an example of the kind of sample storage vial needed. Cost is about $3 each, you have to buy them in lots of about 75 or so. Maybe someone should set up a GoFundMe for this?
https://www.fishersci.com/shop/products/sample-vial-teflon-l...
If you have the collected samples, documented and securely stored, you can potentially get them all analyzed later by a certified lab, providing court-acceptable evidence.
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I mean, given events of the last few years I think things becoming unnecessarily political should be expected.
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Does that count the people that may die early of cancer in decades to come?
Yes. The carcinogenic effects of acute exposure to vinyl chloride are low, and most of it was burned off intentionally by setting the train cars on fire. Those most at risk are the first responders; everyone who heeded the evacuation order should be pretty much fine.
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/02/17/was-vinyl-chloride-use...
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This is exactly it and it’s so sad to watch. Had it happened under trump the sides would have been switched.
Yeah unfortunately the media in the US just overplays every bad thing that happens under someone they don’t like and underplays the bad when their guy is in office. But corporate media is just bad so I guess that’s about all we can expect.
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Yes, but as with acid rain, rain can contain some non-waterthings, I think.
No doubt, but presumably those non water things are all things that evaporate, so wouldn't get left behind then the rain dries. The rain would have to pick up something up on the way down for it to contain something that precipitates out. That could be dust or soot, I'm not sure what else, but any minerals would have to come in that way
I wonder how many of the symptoms people are reporting are just placebo
I wonder how many of the symptoms are real and are causing suffering of innocents caught in what's now a political tug-of-war.