People are really out to lunch if they think this is due to people not wanting cars and preferring public transit. I wish that was the case, but it's 100% because of the dire financial situation.
Throughout the rich world, the young are falling out of love with cars
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
> in a short time someone will reply here to tell you how they brought their kids to kindergarten in subzero temperatures with a bike, or how they bike half an hour in rain to buy groceries... Fully expecting that comment, and I look forward to that person describing how they take an elderly parent to the doctor on a bike…
CARGO BIKE /s
You’re being sarcastic, but I’ve been there and done that. For $reasons. Under other circumstances, the answer would be “take a cab.”
Re: Throughout the rich world, the young are falling out of love with cars
#143Given today's car aesthetics, I'd also fall out of love with cars.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Imagine having toddlers, having to do heavy groceries, and living in a place with difficult landscape or challenging weather. Imagine having a neurological disease or some other disability. I tick all of those boxes and never had a car. I live in the city, walking and using public transit. Toddlers love to walk and to be carried in the stroller. Cars from the suburbs are a constant inconvenience for us living in in…
So what do you imply? That (inner) cities will be only for your carless people? Good for you that you tick the boxes and still not use the car. I know of people that cannot manage this. The inner cities are also places were the suburbs people come to work and play. So space in underground parkings or other accomodations is expected. Imagine if the sububs people decided to say to you (inner) city people that you are n…
Inner city areas should be designed primarily for the people living there, not for the convenience of suburbanites passing by.
Regarding green spaces, they easily coexist in dense walkable neighborhoods.
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#145The young are falling out of love with home ownership, cars, dating, drinking etc. I suspect a lack of money is the common factor.
I have plenty of cash and a paid-off house and I'm planning to spend even more money so I can live somewhere I don't need a car.
I have plenty of cash because I’m living in a place where I don’t need a car.
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#146Millennial: same feeling here. When I talk to people of my parents generation they always talk about how cars let them roam about and give them freedom. I never felt the same way, and I think a large part of that is that I grew up with the Internet; I could always AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) my friends or use ICQ. I was always connected even during an era of dialup. With the always-on functionality of modern phones,…
Cars have always felt more restrictive to me. I don’t want to have to worry about parking or road access or fuel when I’m visiting somewhere.
I have never understood the anxiety americans have related to parking. (unless you’re going to a music festival etc)
You literally just drive around for 5ish minutes and you find a spot. Ive lived in two major cities in america fwiw.
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#147Some of us don't want to impose the externalities of car ownership on others. The suburbanite who drives a car barely feels these inconveniences, but everybody else does. Cars are dangerous to both pedestrians and cyclists. They make our streets noisy, our air polluted -- even electric cars shed particulates from their tires and their brakes. Cars require extensive amounts of parking, which is ugly dead space which c…
Mass transit isn't without its own inconveniences: "In 2017, the average amount of time people spend commuting with public transit in Toronto, for example to and from work, on a weekday is 96 minutes. 34% of public transit riders ride for more than two hours every day. The average amount of time people wait at a stop or station for public transit is 14 minutes, while 10% of riders wait for over twenty minutes on aver…
Sounds like Toronto needs to invest in better public transit.
14 minutes average waiting time? How often do they come? Every 30 minutes? In a large city, that should be 10.
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The US anti-car narrative often refers to the Netherlands as some kind of beacon of proper public infrastructure, whilst not knowing a damn thing about it. First, let's establish that the Netherlands is a car country. We have 11 million cars on a population of 17 million. On a typical day, 1 million people use public transport. Cars are the norm, not trains or bicycles. Public transport is rarely faster, not even in…
I think the question that anyone that rejects cars would ask is "why do you choose to live 60km from your work?".
Because his partner works 60km in the opposite direction?
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#150There's 138 trains per day between Amsterdam and The Hague. It's faster to take the train than to drive on that trip. Driving in either city in an exercise in frustration. Why would anyone in a rich country with a high functioning rail system like The Netherlands want to drive? I don't know how many rich countries that describes, but I lived happily for years in Boston in the USA without a car. I have one now but onl…
The US anti-car narrative often refers to the Netherlands as some kind of beacon of proper public infrastructure, whilst not knowing a damn thing about it. First, let's establish that the Netherlands is a car country. We have 11 million cars on a population of 17 million. On a typical day, 1 million people use public transport. Cars are the norm, not trains or bicycles. Public transport is rarely faster, not even in…
> The US anti-car narrative often refers to the Netherlands as some kind of beacon of proper public infrastructure
No, you are confusing the Netherlands an a whole with cities like Amsterdam.
People refer to the latter as an example of walkable cities.