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The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

dorkwood wrote: post #16
zamadatix wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same thing could be said about using digital tools to edit the text/images or more extremely purchased art supplies instead of making your own. For the things you mentioned the low quality craftsmanship has no relationship to using the newer tools to make them.

You don’t see a difference between using a paintbrush to paint a painting, and pasting “landscape painting ultra-detailed 4K artstation” into midjourney and getting an immediate result? I think it’s more like buying a paintbrush that also paints the painting for you. And I’d also have the same opinion about that.

"pasting “landscape painting ultra-detailed 4K artstation” into midjourney and getting an immediate result?"

Try doing that. Getting a good result isn't as easy as you make it out to be.

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by fleddr »

dorkwood wrote: post #18
throwaway675309 wrote: post #7

I think one of my biggest fears is when I see people excitedly exclaiming, "these kinds of tools allow people to create things that they never would've been capable of building". And then you see people on Reddit talking about how they created a picture book using stable diffusion for the pictures, and chat GPT for the story with the Reddit post titled "I wrote a book". It's almost as if people fundamentally misunder…

People want desperately to experience the act of creation. Previously, you needed to put time into learning a craft in order to feel that feeling. Now, you can sidestep that, and go straight to the pleasure chemical release. It’s a new kind of digital drug.

"People want desperately to experience the act of creation."

I think online they perhaps want to experience the validation of creation over anything else. Increasingly, the "creation" is in service of what "scores".

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by Gigachad »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #5
breckenedge wrote: post #2

> The problem isn't that bots will replace humans. The problem is that humans are acting like bots. Yikes that really hits home. Since the dawn of computers, people have been handing over more and more of their thinking to processes and machines, becoming more robotic. Or like how the factory line changes the way people think, reduces their creativity. Maybe now that the robots are getting scarily good, I can hope th…

My first experience of this was when I got into an argument with a cashier. I remember it was something absurd and kafkesque, I returned a product, and they could only return the money on the card I used to pay for it, but that card has expired. I was exasperated "Here is my ID, its the same bank account, by the same bank. Use y common sence!" "But there is message sating it has to be the same card" "it no longer exi…

Usually the cause of this is that someone has discovered some contrived scam or illicit activity which makes use of a mechanism like this combined with an employee who isn’t wise to it. So companies employ a computer system which doesn’t allow employees to make mistakes so they don’t have to be educated on avoiding social engineering which is largely impossible.

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by nbzso »

Nobody speaks about the WHY you need something like ChatGPT or Midjourney? To be more "creative"? Or to give tools to fake creativity for the masses? And just another reason not to put the hard work, which is the process that leads to human discovery and real creativity.

Hard no for me. Actually, this "automation" frenzy is motivated me clearly to learn more in a classical way. Without an "assistance".

Yes, I prefer to become less effective and more proficient.

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by dragontamer »

noduerme wrote: post #34
si1entstill wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the reason why content creators get paid is because people buy shit they don't need, and AI will amplify this much more easily than humans Eh, I think this may be undervaluing the human part of content creation. People spend thousands of dollars for single seats at concerts because they've decided (or been told by taste-makers) that "this is what is good." I don't see that paradigm of consumption changing. I think…

Most of the musicians whose tickets go for thousands of dollars these days either were hugely successful by taking risks before the rise of algorithmic taste-making (and have older, wealthier audiences) or are basically meat puppets of the ad industry whose music, clothing style, branding, attitude, play frequency on streaming services, and even ticket prices are basically hydra heads of the same giant algorithmic ps…

> If e.g. Adam Levine were replaced by a humanoid robot or a deepfake, would any of his fans actually notice or care?

As a Hatsune Miku fan... I can say... Yes?

People have been using AI generated vocals for well over a decade. The Hatsune Miku community differentiates songs and can tell who the composers or artists are even if they're all using the same voice.

There's a pretty big difference between say... "Karakuri Pierrot" and "Senbonzakura"

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by yamtaddle »

dorkwood wrote: post #16
zamadatix wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same thing could be said about using digital tools to edit the text/images or more extremely purchased art supplies instead of making your own. For the things you mentioned the low quality craftsmanship has no relationship to using the newer tools to make them.

You don’t see a difference between using a paintbrush to paint a painting, and pasting “landscape painting ultra-detailed 4K artstation” into midjourney and getting an immediate result? I think it’s more like buying a paintbrush that also paints the painting for you. And I’d also have the same opinion about that.

> You don’t see a difference between using a paintbrush to paint a painting,

Haha, ew, gross, looks like real work, must be for the plebs.

> and pasting “landscape painting ultra-detailed 4K artstation” into midjourney and getting an immediate result?

Now you're talking. That's a producer credit! Welcome to really being someone!

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by localhost »

throwaway675309 wrote: post #7

I think one of my biggest fears is when I see people excitedly exclaiming, "these kinds of tools allow people to create things that they never would've been capable of building". And then you see people on Reddit talking about how they created a picture book using stable diffusion for the pictures, and chat GPT for the story with the Reddit post titled "I wrote a book". It's almost as if people fundamentally misunder…

If you change the goal from "I wrote a book" to "I published a book and made money off of it", it's really no different than fronting the money to pay for people to write and illustrate the book, right? I tend to think about AIs these days as being tools for converting intent into action. Kind of like people.

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by Gigachad »

VectorLock wrote: post #33
ux-app wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We'll be flooded by SEO'd to hell garbage, propaganda and deep fakes the web is already almost completely corrupted by SEO'd to hell garbage.

Maybe ChatGPT can finally drive us over the edge to reset those algorithms.

The reset will be that you have to publish under your government digital ID to verify proof of humanity.

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by anileated »

pxue wrote: post #29
dorkwood wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t see a difference between using a paintbrush to paint a painting, and pasting “landscape painting ultra-detailed 4K artstation” into midjourney and getting an immediate result? I think it’s more like buying a paintbrush that also paints the painting for you. And I’d also have the same opinion about that.

Of course there's a difference but at the end of the day, what difference does it make. Shooting a movie on an iphone pro can be as artistically involved as shooting one in black and white on 8mm film.

With a phone you can make it arbitrarily more challenging for yourself because if you use raw capture you can take on the work actual film designers and film developers have done for you in case of film, and after all craftsmanship is a lot about overcoming challenges.

If you delegate video production to some perfect Stable Diffusion equivalent…

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by linkjuice4all »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #5
breckenedge wrote: post #2

> The problem isn't that bots will replace humans. The problem is that humans are acting like bots. Yikes that really hits home. Since the dawn of computers, people have been handing over more and more of their thinking to processes and machines, becoming more robotic. Or like how the factory line changes the way people think, reduces their creativity. Maybe now that the robots are getting scarily good, I can hope th…

My first experience of this was when I got into an argument with a cashier. I remember it was something absurd and kafkesque, I returned a product, and they could only return the money on the card I used to pay for it, but that card has expired. I was exasperated "Here is my ID, its the same bank account, by the same bank. Use y common sence!" "But there is message sating it has to be the same card" "it no longer exi…

This isn't unintentional. Companies were losing money or being used for laundering/fencing via fraudulent returns. Preventing your cashiers from being able to return cash or load up someone else's credit card is just a cheaper way than hoping your cashiers aren't getting scammed.
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