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Re: Stop SOAP

#51

Post by TylerE »

simias wrote: post #49
mmaunder wrote: post #42

More tragic than HN becoming an advocacy site (the beginning of Slashdot's demise) is how many comments here don't get the joke.

I agree. Sure discussions about SOPA have their place here, but lately it just felt like a bit echo chamber where you have the same people preaching to the choir using the same arguments over and over again. If I look at the homepage right now it seems half the posts are "site XXX blacked out to protest SOPA". Do all those need a separate story? The redditization of HN is running wild. Will september ever end?

Indeed. Another irony, the Cheezburger Network sites are using a pop-up complaining about SOPA, when arguably they are just the sort of site there is a legitimate complaint about, as they routinely rip off other people's comments, and bask in the ad revenue.

Re: Stop SOAP

#52

Post by simias »

levesque wrote: post #50
mmaunder wrote: post #42

More tragic than HN becoming an advocacy site (the beginning of Slashdot's demise) is how many comments here don't get the joke.

Since when is being a web programmer a prerequisite to participating on HN?

I think what the OP meant is that this story is meant as a parody of the avalanche of "sopa is evil" posts lately. Whether you know what SOAP is or not is beyond the point.

Re: Stop SOAP

#53

Post by [deleted] »

simias wrote: post #52
levesque wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since when is being a web programmer a prerequisite to participating on HN?

I think what the OP meant is that this story is meant as a parody of the avalanche of "sopa is evil" posts lately. Whether you know what SOAP is or not is beyond the point.

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Re: Stop SOAP

#54

Post by jokermatt999 »

mmaunder wrote: post #42

More tragic than HN becoming an advocacy site (the beginning of Slashdot's demise) is how many comments here don't get the joke.

The population of HN isn't just anti-SOPA because it's fashionable. SOPA would directly affect small internet businesses by putting the onus of copyright policing on site owners. Considering how many of the HN startups have any user generated content at all, it's a real concern for the vast majority of them. To not advocate against SOPA would be foolish.

Re: Stop SOAP

#55

Post by bch »

baudehlo wrote: post #39
DomreiRoam wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, When i started SOAP around 2000, it was very simple. After that we for more into the awful WSDL 1 (WSDL 2 is better). But the number of WS-* and the different implementations that are all incompatible is just a nightmare.

In 2001 I gave a talk (I believe at OSCon, to a packed audience) titled "Why SOAP Sucks". I started with a print-out of all the specs required to implement SOAP fully (there were lots of incomplete implementations around at the time, but barely any complete ones). It was more than two reams of paper (around 1100 pages of spec, if I recall). It had quite an "impact".

IIRC, the Table of Contents for the SOAP spec is bigger than the entire XML-RPC spec, yet SOAP offers little practical advantage. Luckily many new RPC implementations bypass both SOAP and XML-RPC and are looking to REST. $deity help all of us who need to work with legacy SOAP, however...

Re: Stop SOAP

#56

Post by sciurus »

nirvdrum wrote: post #46
seanalltogether wrote: post #14

I'll admit to being completely ignorant about the benefits of using SOAP to communicate between servers. However I can say that for server->client communication it is the worse data representation I've ever had to work with and I genuinely hope we see the end of it. JSON maybe not be perfect, but it's so much better at delivering a structured data model then xml is.

I think I'd like JSON as a data representation a lot more if schemas for it were more prevalent. I've noticed it's a lot harder to generate valid JSON -- or rather a lot harder to escape data. With XML, this is fairly trivial. Granted, my use case is considerably different from most. The other idea from SOAP I'd love to see applied to ReST is a descriptor document for the API. Given how poorly many ReST APIs are docu…

Does WADL provide what you liked about WSDL?

http://www.w3.org/Submission/wadl/

Re: Stop SOAP

#57

Post by pvarangot »

I'm against Stop SOAP. SOAP is a jobs-protocol.

In the current economy, consultants specialized in fixing convoluted web applications need us more than ever.

Re: Stop SOAP

#58

Post by umjames »

As someone who is about to work with a client's enterprisey SOAP API, I really wish I could upvote this article multiple times.

Re: Stop SOAP

#60

Post by T_S_ »

pvarangot wrote: post #57

I'm against Stop SOAP. SOAP is a jobs-protocol. In the current economy, consultants specialized in fixing convoluted web applications need us more than ever.

I agree. We need SOAP to stop the JSON loving bit thieves trying to steal our intellectual overhead (IO). Don't drop the SOAP!
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