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Re: Stop SOAP

#42
More tragic than HN becoming an advocacy site (the beginning of Slashdot's demise) is how many comments here don't get the joke.

Re: Stop SOAP

#43
post #6

Related: The S stands for Simple, http://wanderingbarque.com/nonintersecting/2006/11/15/the-s-... and Please drop the SOAP, http://thecoffman.com/2011/01/25/please-drop-the-soap .

protocols with simple (or lightweight) in their name usually are anything but.

Re: Stop SOAP

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post #43
post #6

Related: The S stands for Simple, http://wanderingbarque.com/nonintersecting/2006/11/15/the-s-... and Please drop the SOAP, http://thecoffman.com/2011/01/25/please-drop-the-soap .

protocols with simple (or lightweight) in their name usually are anything but.

Not a coincidence. Simple to implement != simple to explain to your boss (`it's standard industry practice'). The name is meant to sell the standard to non-techies.

Re: Stop SOAP

#46

I'll admit to being completely ignorant about the benefits of using SOAP to communicate between servers. However I can say that for server->client communication it is the worse data representation I've ever had to work with and I genuinely hope we see the end of it. JSON maybe not be perfect, but it's so much better at delivering a structured data model then xml is.

I think I'd like JSON as a data representation a lot more if schemas for it were more prevalent. I've noticed it's a lot harder to generate valid JSON -- or rather a lot harder to escape data. With XML, this is fairly trivial. Granted, my use case is considerably different from most.

The other idea from SOAP I'd love to see applied to ReST is a descriptor document for the API. Given how poorly many ReST APIs are documented, I do miss the good 'ol WSDL. Plus, it gave me some measure of security that the API didn't change.

Re: Stop SOAP

#49

More tragic than HN becoming an advocacy site (the beginning of Slashdot's demise) is how many comments here don't get the joke.

I agree. Sure discussions about SOPA have their place here, but lately it just felt like a bit echo chamber where you have the same people preaching to the choir using the same arguments over and over again.

If I look at the homepage right now it seems half the posts are "site XXX blacked out to protest SOPA". Do all those need a separate story? The redditization of HN is running wild.

Will september ever end?

Re: Stop SOAP

#50

More tragic than HN becoming an advocacy site (the beginning of Slashdot's demise) is how many comments here don't get the joke.

Since when is being a web programmer a prerequisite to participating on HN?
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