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Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by goatlover »

bakuninsbart wrote: post #446
briantakita wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate Change & the war on CO2 has sucked the oxygen out of the room wrt pollution with dangerous chemicals. Many in the environmental community are optimizing a single metric, CO2 emissions, & not focusing on the myriad of chemicals that cause widespread ecological damage. That coupled with the ongoing doomsday hysteria over CO2, it is easy to lose focus on pressing issues & the complexities in dealing with these o…

I'd be really interested in why climate change is a hysteria and not well-founded fear. Well founded studies say we are currently on track to reach 4°C higher average temperature by 2100, and a plausible rise in sea levels of that would be around 40 meters. Completely ignoring all other effects, this would be a catastrophe on a level we can hardly achieve otherwise. And 2100 isn't an end date, it would be kind of nic…

It's a range from 2.7° - 4°C, where four is the high end of where we'll likely end up at end of century, based on current trends.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by justinclift »

anigbrowl wrote: post #245
gowings97 wrote: post #152

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Our fearless US press is too scared to have on-site staff to cover the largest ecological land-based disaster since Three Mile Island. Or they've been told by the regime it's a non-issue? Not sure which is worse, but the outcome is what you see before you; back page coverage a week after the incident. Barely a blurb. Yes, these things take time to fully investigate. Where are the daily updates from the EPA though? Wh…

Before you mock the press maybe take a look at how they are being treated in Ohio. This is from a press conference given by the governor last week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQMLxBpiSu8

Hard to tell what's going on when the "before" isn't shown in the video, and very large sections of what is there has talking heads but no audio / silence.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by kortilla »

chaps wrote: post #54
kortilla wrote: post #44

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>If I can get pulled over for having a busted tail light, a train full of toxic chemicals should get stopped for being on fire. What makes you think this isn’t what normally happens? Trains aren’t just cruising around constantly on fire.

I think you deeply underestimate how many derailments happen each year in the US https://www.wric.com/news/u-s-world/how-often-do-trains-dera...

If you think “derailment” means “on fire”, we have bigger issues.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by kortilla »

causi wrote: post #58
kortilla wrote: post #44

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>If I can get pulled over for having a busted tail light, a train full of toxic chemicals should get stopped for being on fire. What makes you think this isn’t what normally happens? Trains aren’t just cruising around constantly on fire.

Trains aren’t just cruising around constantly on fire. If they were, would you know? I wouldn't.

Yes, there is quite an enthusiastic crowd of people making videos of trains. A video of a train on fire just cruising along is gold and there aren’t that many.

Unless you are proposing a conspiracy where the train companies run them on fire only in areas with no people and then shut the fire off as they approach towns/cities/crossings.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by justinclift »

vGPU wrote: post #546
shadowgovt wrote: post #270

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As is so often the case, people who fearmonger about what could happen fail to notice that the medical establishment keeps quite good records on what is happening. We'd know about the acute effects by now from hospitalization, and we generally know about the chronic effects in the environment because this isn't even the first vinyl chloride spill. Is Paulsboro, NJ currently a cancer hotbed? https://www.popularmechani…

Yes, actually. Along with a ton of other medical irregularities. https://www.nj.gov/health/hcpnj/documents/county-reports/HCP...

Skimming over that, irregularities aren't immediately standing out to me.

What should we be looking for?

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by winrid »

panick21_ wrote: post #292

I'm not one that usually advocates for nationalization, but with these rail companies, this should be done. For multiple reason: - These companies make absurdly huge profit that could be reinvested into the network to improve the network for everybody (electrification, passenger transport). And these are not some complex tech companies that the government couldn't operate. - These companies are blocking passenger tra…

But how do you nationalize an entire industry?

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by themitigating »

MarkMarine wrote: post #111
themitigating wrote: post #63

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How do you know the crash was the result of missing regulations? Republicans are against government regulations,you know "big government" and all that, so why would they do a better job?

Unfortunately this issue has multiple factors that contributed, and weakening the legislation and regulations that were put in place to avoid issues like this by the Obama administration: "The sequence of events began a decade ago in the wake of a major uptick in derailments of trains carrying crude oil and hazardous chemicals, including a New Jersey train crash that leaked the same toxic chemical as in Ohio. In resp…

"This seems to be an area of bipartisan consensus, putting the interests of big business above those of the people."

So Obama added the regulations, Trump removed them and that's your conclusion?

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by themitigating »

yunwal wrote: post #430
llbeansandrice wrote: post #175

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The demands of the union included a lot of increased safety precautions.

Including the fact that trains are too long, which directly contributed to this incident. https://www.timesunion.com/allnews/article/Railroad-union-sa...

And was that part of the deal?

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by themitigating »

gowings97 wrote: post #152
nimbius wrote: post #94

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> can make people dizzy and drowsy LMFAO vinyl chloride is a multi-organ carcinogen...its literally one of the quickest ways to stage 4 right up there with Benzene exposure. phosgene was also part of the release when Ohio decided a "controlled burn" of the vinyl chloride was somehow a good idea. the plume could be seen from commercial flights. honest to god the damage control media outlets are attempting in the midst…

Our fearless US press is too scared to have on-site staff to cover the largest ecological land-based disaster since Three Mile Island. Or they've been told by the regime it's a non-issue? Not sure which is worse, but the outcome is what you see before you; back page coverage a week after the incident. Barely a blurb. Yes, these things take time to fully investigate. Where are the daily updates from the EPA though? Wh…

Prove there's a conspiracy to reduce coverage of this event.

Also

https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2023/02/14/us/ohio-train-derailment-...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-train-derailment-officials-s...

I can't believe how much bullshit you spew when it's so easy to disprove. Google the disaster and any news network and you'll find news about it. Why do you lie? Seriously is it because you want to push your immature cynical "all the government and media is bad" crap?

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by MarkMarine »

themitigating wrote: post #557
MarkMarine wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately this issue has multiple factors that contributed, and weakening the legislation and regulations that were put in place to avoid issues like this by the Obama administration: "The sequence of events began a decade ago in the wake of a major uptick in derailments of trains carrying crude oil and hazardous chemicals, including a New Jersey train crash that leaked the same toxic chemical as in Ohio. In resp…

"This seems to be an area of bipartisan consensus, putting the interests of big business above those of the people." So Obama added the regulations, Trump removed them and that's your conclusion?

Yes it is, if Obama’s regime had the strength of their convictions to enact the rules they wanted, that train would have been classified hazardous. I found out that classification would have meant it would have the better brakes as well as being shorter and speed limited more.

I think an objective look shows multiple failures by 3 different governments to reign in the greed of railroad execs and protect the people in Ohio. What do you see?

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