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Even if there were a discussion to be had about how the elected officials supported by Ohioans let them down, the phrasing here doesn't inspire useful conversation.
Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
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How can you possibly blame the victims of this catastrophe? These are real people who lost their town to criminal levels of corporate negligence.
Your take is gutless.
Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
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Aside from the irony, the democrat party will make way more friends if they or their campaign strategy acknowledged that people vote on way more causes than whatever the party is saying makes you a better person.
The senate is 50-50, there's never a wave. Time to try something else.
Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
#44Before everyone loses there mind, because this story has oddly been on blast 2 weeks after the incident: VC is a gas a room temperature. None of the VC cars were ruptured in the crash. They were vented and ignited by workers to avoid explosion. Burning VC produces carbon oxides, HCl, phosgene, and formaldehyde. HCl, Phosgene become hydrochloric acid in the atmosphere. The total amount of hydrochloric acid this could…
The reason people are so upset isn't necessarily because of the environmental impact, it's because the people who work on these trains have been warning things like this could happen for years, and when they tried to strike over it, the federal government stepped in and crushed them into submission. There was a car on that train that was on fire for at least 20 miles before the derailment. If I can get pulled over fo…
>If I can get pulled over for having a busted tail light, a train full of toxic chemicals should get stopped for being on fire.
What makes you think this isn’t what normally happens? Trains aren’t just cruising around constantly on fire.
Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
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Here is the USDOT press release from 2017 on this: https://www.phmsa.dot.gov/news/usdot-announces-intent-repeal... Can anyone speak to whether these electronically controlled pneumatic brakes would have prevented or lessened the severity of this derailment in Ohio?
The cause was an overheated wheel bearing melting and dislodging the axle, causing a derailment.
The overheating was detected, and ignored. The quote is, as I recall, "The next sensor will detect it if it's a problem."
Could the electric brakes have helped? Not sure in this specific case. In other cases? Probably. Air brakes are remarkably cool technology (how the valves work still boggles me from time to time) but they are still, in the end, civil war era technology that's probably due for an upgrade.
Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
#46Before everyone loses there mind, because this story has oddly been on blast 2 weeks after the incident: VC is a gas a room temperature. None of the VC cars were ruptured in the crash. They were vented and ignited by workers to avoid explosion. Burning VC produces carbon oxides, HCl, phosgene, and formaldehyde. HCl, Phosgene become hydrochloric acid in the atmosphere. The total amount of hydrochloric acid this could…
The reason people are so upset isn't necessarily because of the environmental impact, it's because the people who work on these trains have been warning things like this could happen for years, and when they tried to strike over it, the federal government stepped in and crushed them into submission. There was a car on that train that was on fire for at least 20 miles before the derailment. If I can get pulled over fo…
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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
#47Before everyone loses there mind, because this story has oddly been on blast 2 weeks after the incident: VC is a gas a room temperature. None of the VC cars were ruptured in the crash. They were vented and ignited by workers to avoid explosion. Burning VC produces carbon oxides, HCl, phosgene, and formaldehyde. HCl, Phosgene become hydrochloric acid in the atmosphere. The total amount of hydrochloric acid this could…
It should not be seen as business as usual when these kinds of things happen. It was at least tolerable due to my ignorance when you talked about these chemicals boiling off, but then to say "no biggie that petroleum spilled everywhere, I'm sure it burned off too."
The whistle has been blown on the rails and the rail companies for some time, and now a catastrophe has occurred.
We should be severely punishing the rail companies if not nationalizing them. We should make sure every citizen is taken care of and their homes are safe to live in.
I don't have to believe in a conspiracy theory to be angry at negligence causing an environmental disaster in a city.
Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
#48- "On Sunday, the EPA released a list, written by Norfolk Southern, of the toxic chemicals that were in the derailed cars. In addition to vinyl chloride and butyl acrylate, it mentions ethylhexyl acrylate, which can cause headaches, nausea, and respiratory problems in people exposed to it; as well as isobutylene, which can make people dizzy and drowsy." This is anodyne phrasing that omits the lede, which is that this…
> which can cause headaches, nausea, and respiratory problems.... can make people dizzy and drowsy
I also love this phrasing that talks about the immediate uncomfortable reactions, but makes no mention on the extremely serious long-term implications of exposure.
These chemicals won't just make you feel unpleasant in the moment, they'll kill you in the long run.
Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
We live in a country where everything important is owned and controlled by billionaires or hedge funds who also control the government via bribery. Events like this make me think that it's much, much crazier to trust the government to keep us safe.
The make up of the federal government changes greatly every two years. Our states probably have a similar turnover. This is why it's important to vote, not only in general elections, but also primary elections. Seats shouldn't be safe for incumbents who let this happen or anyone who takes huge donations from the billionaires or hedge funds you're talking about. Edit: I mean: the makeup of our government may change gr…
Also: if you live in a non-swing state, consider voting in the primary of whichever party is most likely to win the election, even if that isn't the party you'll likely vote for. AIUI although you can't vote in more than primary you can still vote for whomever you want in the regular election regardless of which primary you voted in.
The idea being that in such states (mostly red or mostly blue), the primary effectively is the election, since the minority party has such little chance of winning the final election.
Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
#50What is being underplayed: -Same chemical by products as the chemicals stored at the Bhopal disaster -Railroad unions have been warning of this outcome for more than 10 years They will end up suing NS as the town will have to be evacuated again and demolished as they will find that the water-table has been polluted beyond repair.
Not sure why this is being downvoted.
Because it's extremely misleading. They're invoking the name of the Bhopal disaster even though they seem to know that the actual toxin released in that disaster (methyl isocyanate) is not one of the chemicals on the NS train (or one of their products, as far as I know). Instead, they're talking about the chemicals "stored at" the Bhopal disaster, which may make the comment technically true (I don't know) but very very misleading since those chemicals had nothing to do with the mass death for which the incident is infamous.