A few "give it time" replies is emblematic of the culture of "chalega" ("it will do") in Indian commerce. This is hardly what Apple will tolerate.
50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge
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#72I predict this rate will fall much lower over time (assuming Apple sticks with the effort there).
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#73"It’s likely that similar issues will arise with new Apple suppliers in other countries too."
Not at all Apple. Move to Vietnam and you can duplicate the success you have in China. Indians are only good at talking a good talk.
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#74I heard a story about a business that worked with a Chinese chip manufacturer once. They ordered 10,000 of a particular microprocessor and instructed the company that they would accept a maximum of 1 faulty chip in 250. When the order arrived there were 10,000 chips, and an extra little bag with 40 more chips in it. The packing note said that they'd sent the faulty ones separately but weren't sure why they were neede…
When I heard the story a decade or two ago, it was Ford buying screws or bolts or something from a Japanese manufacturer.
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#75Anyone who's read outsourced code can vouch for the similar QC problems. I work with a lot of great Indian software developers; none of them worked IN India itself; they tend to be the ones that are skilled enough to quickly realize they're able to command massively higher wages by leaving India. India, despite it's reputation as a software outsourcing location has never been able to produce exportable quality beside…
I say this as the whitest white man ever, so please correct me if I'm being discriminatory. I understand it's also a culture issue. India has a culture of never telling clients "no" for anything, even if they know they can't do it. So you ask for something insanely complex, and your contractor in India will throw a mountain of buggy code at you. I wouldn't be surprise if that's also the issue here.
Noticed the same thing. Even implying that what management wanted wasn't realistic would make them incredibly uncomfortable.
Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge
#76Anyone who's read outsourced code can vouch for the similar QC problems. I work with a lot of great Indian software developers; none of them worked IN India itself; they tend to be the ones that are skilled enough to quickly realize they're able to command massively higher wages by leaving India. India, despite it's reputation as a software outsourcing location has never been able to produce exportable quality beside…
Cars are one of India’s larger exports. Cars are definitely manufactured in India- TATA, Mahindra, Maruti etc.
You're right. Nonetheless, not quite at the level one might have hoped given the early promises they made years ago. They never did create the car of the future to sell to the Americans.
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#77“Tech entrepreneur and academic Vivek Wadhwa said that it will likely take three years or so for Indian suppliers to be capable of the kind of volume production needed to make a noticeable dent in Chinese production.” I wonder how a war over Taiwan would impact that time table? My guess is that it would slow it even further. India has to know it’s holding all the cards.
> I wonder how a war over Taiwan would impact that time table? There won't be any war if China invades Taiwan, merely devastating impact. If China were to invade Taiwan, the most-advanced chip factory in the world would be rendered “not operable,” TSMC Chair Mark Liu said. “The war brings no winners, everybody's losers,” Liu said. He said an invasion would cause economic turmoil for China, Taiwan and Western countrie…
If China is cut off from Taiwan's most advanced tech that it can not produce on its own it might as well stop caring that the factories get destroyed.
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#78I don't think problems like this were unexpected, everyone knows India's manufacturing sector is less mature and not hyper-competitive like China's. Companies like Tata especially are going to be cautious to a fault about changing processes or spending a lot of money on improvements, because that attitude is what made them successful in India so far. The question is, will this new interest from Apple and others allow the country's electronics industry to grow and see the more capable businesses outcompete the rest?
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Back to the future has a famous scene where Doc says Japan produces junk. And Marty says they make the best stuff. Reflecting the state of Japan between 1955 and 1985z Idea is to produce whatever crap you can initially just to get started. Eventually you’ll get better. China is in middle of this cycle.
We have been writing software for decades. Still majority of the software engineers are only good at copy & paste. Things are actually getting worse as most answers you can google, when you can't they are just stuck.
There’s a different between a developer and an engineer.
Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge
#80Anyone who's read outsourced code can vouch for the similar QC problems. I work with a lot of great Indian software developers; none of them worked IN India itself; they tend to be the ones that are skilled enough to quickly realize they're able to command massively higher wages by leaving India. India, despite it's reputation as a software outsourcing location has never been able to produce exportable quality beside…
50% rejection rate sounds incredibly high to me.
I'm not sure the code shipped by the offshored programmers I've interacted with built 50% of the time.
Something like 90% of "software engineers" in the country are considered unfit for software engineering [0] [1]
[0] https://restofworld.org/2020/india-engineering-degree/
[1] https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/jobs/only-6-of-those-pa...