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50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Thing is this is also still the really basic stuff. It's only going to get worse as they attempt to shift more complicated things. Indeed. And stats like that does make you kind of worry about pharmaceuticals where India is something like number two worldwide as supplier of APIs to the global Pharma industry. API = Active Pharmaceutical Ingredient, or typically described as "active ingredient" on the labelling of t…

Industrial chemistry is not easy but it's still substantially easier than electronics manufacturing and much less reliant on well trained workforce and logistics so it's likely fine but tbh I don't have the background to know either.

Yes, but the issue with pharmaceuticals is safety -- compliance with regulation and close monitoring of medication ingredient quality. That's something that numerous Indian manufacturers continue to have difficulty ensuring.

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Thing is this is also still the really basic stuff. It's only going to get worse as they attempt to shift more complicated things. People tend to drastically underestimate the both the scale and sophistication of manufacturing in China. For certain products the only reasonable alternatives to China are going to be South Korea and Japan in the medium term as they are the only other hubs with the required sophisticatio…

The United States and Europe still have the capability to make these casings, but it's "too expensive." I imagine so is Japan for that matter.

When I was looking at machining in China (I built some aluminium guitar prototypes) the cost between European fabricators and China wasn't just significant - it was an order of magnitude.

I got a handful of absolutely impeccable prototypes from my Chinese manufacturers, for about 350 USD a piece. The few UK machine shops that even bothered answering my emails and phonecalls quoted about 10-15k per unit.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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I am an entrepreneur & a small business owner in India. I did a small manufacturing in China & was blown away by their professionalism. The article mentions - `Chinese suppliers had a totally different attitude, aiming to exceed the Cupertino company’s expectations` - this is so true. In India, most manufacturing companies or businesses are trying to sell what they have or can produce (without any attention to detail…

> I am an entrepreneur & a small business owner in India. I did a small manufacturing in China & was blown away by their professionalism. The article mentions - `Chinese suppliers had a totally different attitude, aiming to exceed the Cupertino company’s expectations` - this is so true.

This varies massively from one CM to the next.

If you can get your foot in the door at the higher tier CMs, the professionalism and attention to detail will be exactly as you described. If you can get in contact with an ambitious smaller CM looking to grow with you (their customer), you can also find great attention to detail.

OTOH, some of the smaller CMs in China will gladly tell you whatever you need to hear in order to send the wire transfer, then you'll get back whatever they feel like delivering. That is if you don't get bumped by a higher paying customer taking your spot on their schedule. You might also get great first articles and have great success on the first prototype run, but then they'll take the A team off of your line and have the night shift run it next time with much less attention to detail.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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I am an entrepreneur & a small business owner in India. I did a small manufacturing in China & was blown away by their professionalism. The article mentions - `Chinese suppliers had a totally different attitude, aiming to exceed the Cupertino company’s expectations` - this is so true. In India, most manufacturing companies or businesses are trying to sell what they have or can produce (without any attention to detail…

Back to the future has a famous scene where Doc says Japan produces junk. And Marty says they make the best stuff. Reflecting the state of Japan between 1955 and 1985z Idea is to produce whatever crap you can initially just to get started. Eventually you’ll get better. China is in middle of this cycle.

We have been writing software for decades. Still majority of the software engineers are only good at copy & paste. Things are actually getting worse as most answers you can google, when you can't they are just stuck.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Anyone who's read outsourced code can vouch for the similar QC problems. I work with a lot of great Indian software developers; none of them worked IN India itself; they tend to be the ones that are skilled enough to quickly realize they're able to command massively higher wages by leaving India. India, despite it's reputation as a software outsourcing location has never been able to produce exportable quality beside…

They've done well in the pharma industry recently, but it's their one major success.

I would strongly suggest not calling India's pharma industry a success. It is rife with terrible quality and government-sponsored coverups.

Here is one book that goes into some detail:Bottle of Lies: Ranbaxy and the Dark Side of Indian Pharma

Many children lost their lives in Gambia and Uzbekistan after consuming tainted cough syrup made in India. The worst part is not the error, it is the fact that indian regulators and the indian government don't do anything to solve the problem.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Anyone who's read outsourced code can vouch for the similar QC problems. I work with a lot of great Indian software developers; none of them worked IN India itself; they tend to be the ones that are skilled enough to quickly realize they're able to command massively higher wages by leaving India. India, despite it's reputation as a software outsourcing location has never been able to produce exportable quality beside…

They've done well in the pharma industry recently, but it's their one major success.

i am pretty sure that every few weeks I see floating up yet another article about some generic made in India recalled due to whatever reasons. So while they did capture a big market share, i think it's acknowledged that they have quality control issues

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I heard a story about a business that worked with a Chinese chip manufacturer once. They ordered 10,000 of a particular microprocessor and instructed the company that they would accept a maximum of 1 faulty chip in 250. When the order arrived there were 10,000 chips, and an extra little bag with 40 more chips in it. The packing note said that they'd sent the faulty ones separately but weren't sure why they were neede…

That joke is from 80s and Japan.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've done well in the pharma industry recently, but it's their one major success.

I would strongly suggest not calling India's pharma industry a success. It is rife with terrible quality and government-sponsored coverups. Here is one book that goes into some detail:Bottle of Lies: Ranbaxy and the Dark Side of Indian Pharma Many children lost their lives in Gambia and Uzbekistan after consuming tainted cough syrup made in India. The worst part is not the error, it is the fact that indian regulators…

We're in Australia and after reading that book we'll go out of our way to not buy generics manufactured in India.

Weirdly, it doesn't seem like a regulatory requirement to print the country of manufacture on the box. All of our food is clearly labelled but not pharmaceuticals? An odd omission.

I speak as someone who worked in India -- Bangalore, in the IT sector -- for 2 years. I loved the place and the people. But for sure the work ethic is ... different to Australia.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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I heard a story about a business that worked with a Chinese chip manufacturer once. They ordered 10,000 of a particular microprocessor and instructed the company that they would accept a maximum of 1 faulty chip in 250. When the order arrived there were 10,000 chips, and an extra little bag with 40 more chips in it. The packing note said that they'd sent the faulty ones separately but weren't sure why they were neede…

i am pretty sure that origin of this story is about Japanese semiconductor companies in 80s. I saw it numerous times over the years

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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post #31

I heard a story about a business that worked with a Chinese chip manufacturer once. They ordered 10,000 of a particular microprocessor and instructed the company that they would accept a maximum of 1 faulty chip in 250. When the order arrived there were 10,000 chips, and an extra little bag with 40 more chips in it. The packing note said that they'd sent the faulty ones separately but weren't sure why they were neede…

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