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Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by jakelazaroff »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #268
jakelazaroff wrote: post #257

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Not sure when you checked, but right now it's literally nowhere to be found on Bloomberg. I count three stories on shooting down UFOs, though, and one on comedians finding side hustles as babysitters.

> when you checked, but right now it's literally nowhere to be found When this happened. Nobody clicked on it so it fell off. (I’m still failing to see why this is a national tragedy requiring minute to minute updates.)

I’m not sure how to reconcile “this is the only thing people are talking about” with “these stories have fallen off all the top news sites because nobody is clicking on them”.

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Post by legitster »

johndevor wrote: post #181
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #128

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> don't see a lot of people talking about this disaster getting no coverage Oh my god this is the only thing people are talking about. Please don’t do this. Let’s talk about the actual disaster instead of spinning up another useless whirlpool of meta-debate.

The NYT does not have this barely at all. There should be a giant picture of the mushroom cloud on their front page to reflect the severity (potential or real) of the situation. It's shameful.

Because this is a regional story being amplified by Chinese state media. The NYT not running shock headlines based on trendy internet topics probably has more to do with their editorial scrutiny.

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Post by kneebonian »

e40 wrote: post #341
nabla9 wrote: post #330

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Legislation passed under President Obama required trains carrying hazardous flammable materials to have ECP brakes. The law was rescinded in 2017 by the Trump administration.

Agreed. 1. Let's not pretend that this was a "crazy" Trump move. Any Republican would have done this. 2. Let's stop pretending both parties are the same. Yes, there are places where they overlap, but there are important places where there is NO overlap. Environmental action is the big area where there is little to no overlap.

And yet despite having a majority of the house and senate under Biden they've been unable to deliver almost anything except an unfair railroad contract.

So maybe, just maybe, the 2 sides are willing to shout about different things but at the end of the day are in fact the same.

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Post by steve76 »

WheatMillington wrote: post #269
anotherman554 wrote: post #165

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"I've been seeing content on Tiktok where even 100 miles away they're seeing small dead fish which is apparently according to the folks making the videos a massive red flag." I wouldn't bother watching a Tiktok video unless the video maker is an environmental professional. Otherwise this is just the blind leading the blind. Here's a legal definition of environmental professional used by developers when they do a envi…

"hey look, here's a bunch of dead fish that weren't here yesterday" "show me your degree"

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Post by kvathupo »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #157
commandlinefan wrote: post #147

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I don't think that's what he's saying - but rather that Chinese-controlled media is blowing this out of proportion to distract you from the chinese spy balloon story (reserving judgment whether this is actually the case - it's plausible, but would still be surprising - I just think that's what OP is trying to say, not that the balloon itself had anything to do with the derailment).

I understand his intended message, I was just being snarky, which I accept is crappy of me and against the guidelines. Just tired of the mindless xenophobia and American exceptionalism despite the US being objectively one of the most, if the the most, problematic countries on the planet.

> which I accept is crappy of me and against the guidelines

Just wanted to say I appreciate online commenters admitting when they were wrong/off-color. A welcome sight anywhere on the Internet!

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Post by [deleted] »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #354
seafoam wrote: post #201

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Yeah, I used to do that. Then I realized that it is always a conspiracy theory until it is too late. If you are potentially impacted, you have to do your own homework, and learn from your mistakes.

I think it is still a good heuristic that most people should follow. Step 1: do I need to have an informed opinion Step 2: Do I need that opinion NOW Step 3: WHAT do I need to know NOW There is a vast amount of conspiracy theorizing that people could avoid by following this approach.

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by Maursault »

nabla9 wrote: post #330
ly3xqhl8g9 wrote: post #243

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A tad of Yes, Minister wisdom [1]: "The Four Stage Strategy: Stage 1. Nothing is going to happen. Stage 2. Something may happen, but we should do nothing about it. Stage 3. Maybe we should do something about it, but there's nothing we can do. Stage 4. Maybe there was something we could have done, but it's too late now." [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak

Legislation passed under President Obama required trains carrying hazardous flammable materials to have ECP brakes. The law was rescinded in 2017 by the Trump administration.

To be fair, besides the primary initiative of keeping all the wealth in the hands of a few, the secondary purpose of a Republican administration is to undo anything done by a Democratic administration. There was no way for Trump to know whether the legislation was good or bad. It could have gone either way, really.

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Post by lstodd »

downvotetruth wrote: post #53
takoid wrote: post #16

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Here is the USDOT press release from 2017 on this: https://www.phmsa.dot.gov/news/usdot-announces-intent-repeal... Can anyone speak to whether these electronically controlled pneumatic brakes would have prevented or lessened the severity of this derailment in Ohio?

The concerning concept is that dragging an axle is going to cause a significant additional load on the engine given it was not on a slope (no load shift) that should have made the engineer to stop and ask what is being dragged regardless of other technical aids rather than "let's try to drag it for a few more miles and see if it gets knocked loose to make rate".

A single axle in a train of several hundred, over continuously changing slope, rail and weather conditions? It most certainly won't be detected until it derails.

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Post by e40 »

kneebonian wrote: post #373
e40 wrote: post #341

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Agreed. 1. Let's not pretend that this was a "crazy" Trump move. Any Republican would have done this. 2. Let's stop pretending both parties are the same. Yes, there are places where they overlap, but there are important places where there is NO overlap. Environmental action is the big area where there is little to no overlap.

And yet despite having a majority of the house and senate under Biden they've been unable to deliver almost anything except an unfair railroad contract. So maybe, just maybe, the 2 sides are willing to shout about different things but at the end of the day are in fact the same.

Razor thin margin in the Senate and at least 2 of the "Democrats" are not really going to vote on anything controversial. They have been shills, so far, for business interests.

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Post by yebyen »

xadhominemx wrote: post #178
yebyen wrote: post #149

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https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/s... > Vinyl chloride exposure is associated with an increased risk of a rare form of liver cancer (hepatic angiosarcoma), as well as primary liver cancer (hepatocellular carcinoma), brain and lung cancers, lymphoma, and leukemia. If there's some fact in the parent comment which is in dispute could you please be a bit more clear about what it is? This is a ve…

Don’t chide me. Parent comment is ridiculous and harmful fearmongering and hyperbole. Read your own link - there is no mention of carcinogenicity* from acute exposure and environmental a biological persistence is very low. I would be more concerned if I spent a career in a vinyl chloride production facility without proper ppe.

I wasn't chiding you, I am a layman and I genuinely had no idea what issue you saw in the parent comment. Read your own comment that I responded to again.

The parent comment had multiple assertions in it, so there's literally no way for me to know what you meant by "no it's not" until you told me.

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