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Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Spooky23 wrote: post #202
gruez wrote: post #101

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>The reason people are so upset isn't necessarily because of the environmental impact, it's because the people who work on these trains have been warning things like this could happen for years, and when they tried to strike over it, the federal government stepped in and crushed them into submission. There was a car on that train that was on fire for at least 20 miles before the derailment. If I can get pulled over f…

The problem is an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I have friends in this industry so I have more context than most. Railroads were a sleepy corner of the world for a long time, until business types realized that trucking had peaked out from a capacity perspective. These companies are all chasing higher return on assets at all costs. Motor carriers are much better regulated than rails because the railroa…

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #268
jakelazaroff wrote: post #257

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Not sure when you checked, but right now it's literally nowhere to be found on Bloomberg. I count three stories on shooting down UFOs, though, and one on comedians finding side hustles as babysitters.

> when you checked, but right now it's literally nowhere to be found When this happened. Nobody clicked on it so it fell off. (I’m still failing to see why this is a national tragedy requiring minute to minute updates.)

This is going to give a whole lot of Americans cancer. I’ve heard this described, by an extremely level headed commentator I trust, as “we just nuked an American town”. This story is way bigger than some balloon.

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Post by shadowgovt »

LarryMullins wrote: post #295
shadowgovt wrote: post #179

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In general, there's no particular need to make the list of chemicals public. In the event of emergency, every container is stamped with one or two standard labels indicating the nature of the chemical threat and what firefighters need to do to address it; otherwise, it's as important to people as what's in the tractor-trailer in front of them on the highway. It might be worth having a discussion about the fact that t…

> In general, there's no particular need to make the list of chemicals public Fitting username, I didn't realize you were a novelty account.

The username actually refers to an old They Might Be Giants song.

They lyrics of the song tell the tale of a man who goes through life being paranoid about a massive, organized government operation spying on him personally.

In the end, he's murdered and disappeared by his town's local mayor because he's inconvenient, the mayor's just a thug, and there is no shadowy overarching organization watching over him.

People believe in conspiracies because they feel the alternative (disorder, ad-hoc metastability, and a world full of people with short-term views making short-term moves to benefit their short-term ends impacting other folks with no particular plan, just simple, stupid apathy) is scarier. But most evil (and good) in the world is done by regular folks with partial knowledge doing their damnedest to survive, and we perceive patterns because we're pattern-perceiving creatures.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by LarryMullins »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #284
sam0x17 wrote: post #260

This is a really glaring example of mismanagement on the federal government's part. Apparently the number of staff who maintain the rails was cut some time before the incident, and this is the main reason the rails were not properly maintained and this accident was allowed to happen. Meanwhile the transportation department is still celebrating their accomplishments and acting like we don't have a huge disaster on our…

Why is Federal government at fault, and not, you know, the rail company that owns the railroads and collects the revenues?

Both are.

Are you really a pilot? You should know better than to treat blame as finite and indivisible.

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Post by 12345hn6789 »

RajT88 wrote: post #262
jsonne wrote: post #67

I've been seeing content on Tiktok where even 100 miles away they're seeing small dead fish which is apparently according to the folks making the videos a massive red flag. In general I grow super weary of companies and the government downplaying these sorts of things. It seems to constantly follow the pattern of people saying "It's not that bad" and then only years later do we actually see the horrific health and en…

> It seems to constantly follow the pattern of people saying "It's not that bad" and then only years later do we actually see the horrific health and environmental effects of these sorts of things play out when it's too late for the folks that have been impacted. I recently learned that smaller versions of this even happen in the Lasalle/Peru area in Illinois with some regularity. It makes the local news, and maybe s…

The cancer rates in that area are wack. I know a teacher at a local school and the amount of children who are lost to cancer is outrageous. Every year at least. The town is 10,000 people.

Also, something similar happened just recently. the carus chemical plant explosion is but a tiny blip compared to the Ohio disaster. https://abc7chicago.com/carus-chemical-explosion-potassium-p...

But it is terrible nonetheless.

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Post by madaxe_again »

smcl wrote: post #100
jsonne wrote: post #67

I've been seeing content on Tiktok where even 100 miles away they're seeing small dead fish which is apparently according to the folks making the videos a massive red flag. In general I grow super weary of companies and the government downplaying these sorts of things. It seems to constantly follow the pattern of people saying "It's not that bad" and then only years later do we actually see the horrific health and en…

Are you: - weary of these getting downplayed (pron. wee-ree = you are tired of it) - wary of these getting downplayed (pron. way-ray = you are suspicious of it)

Where do they pronounce wary way-ray? I’ve always said it “where-y”.

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Post by sam0x17 »

shawn-butler wrote: post #310
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is Federal government at fault, and not, you know, the rail company that owns the railroads and collects the revenues?

In my mind because Biden/Buttigieg had Congress impose a labor contract to prevent a strike a few months ago and rail safety due to labor cuts by these same rail companies was one of the issues workers were concerned about?

Yeah anything short of meeting the strikers demands is insane. I still can't believe that's not what went down. These are possibly some of the most important workers in the country, and they can't even get sick days.

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Post by op00to »

WheatMillington wrote: post #269
anotherman554 wrote: post #165

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"I've been seeing content on Tiktok where even 100 miles away they're seeing small dead fish which is apparently according to the folks making the videos a massive red flag." I wouldn't bother watching a Tiktok video unless the video maker is an environmental professional. Otherwise this is just the blind leading the blind. Here's a legal definition of environmental professional used by developers when they do a envi…

"hey look, here's a bunch of dead fish that weren't here yesterday" "show me your degree"

How do we know they’re dead from something specific? An expert could tell us the evidence for that. Some dipshit who posts a picture of some dead fish on TikTok can’t.

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Post by RajT88 »

samstave wrote: post #307
iso1631 wrote: post #291

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Imagine a world where journalists have enough time in the day to participate in a coverup

> "journalists" You keep using that word. I do not think that word means what you think it means. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_hGKT5FI78

There's a lot of self-styled "Citizen Journalists" these days of wildly variable quality.

See: Jessica Reed Krause

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Post by xadhominemx »

davesque wrote: post #218

This might be an unpopular opinion, but the speed at which this story has overtaken social media has made me skeptical. That coupled with the fact that the story practically doesn't exist in mainstream media. And in this case I just don't buy the whole "lamestream" media narrative. The mainstream media was all over the water crisis in Flint, Michigan. There's no reason they wouldn't be interested in giving more cover…

It went viral on TikTok. Was that entirely organic? Or did the Chinese government throw some tinder on the fire? It’s pretty bad that they have the capability.
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