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Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by panick21_ »

jsonne wrote: post #67

I've been seeing content on Tiktok where even 100 miles away they're seeing small dead fish which is apparently according to the folks making the videos a massive red flag. In general I grow super weary of companies and the government downplaying these sorts of things. It seems to constantly follow the pattern of people saying "It's not that bad" and then only years later do we actually see the horrific health and en…

> It seems to constantly follow the pattern of people saying "It's not that bad" and then only years later do we actually see the horrific health and environmental effects

Yeah but most of the time the panic spread on social media actually does get it wrong.

I am familiar with nuclear matter and the amount of insane social media post about any little nuclear thing is pretty crazy and have no scientific bases.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by meltyness »

WheatMillington wrote: post #269
anotherman554 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I've been seeing content on Tiktok where even 100 miles away they're seeing small dead fish which is apparently according to the folks making the videos a massive red flag." I wouldn't bother watching a Tiktok video unless the video maker is an environmental professional. Otherwise this is just the blind leading the blind. Here's a legal definition of environmental professional used by developers when they do a envi…

"hey look, here's a bunch of dead fish that weren't here yesterday" "show me your degree"

tears up your degree for your comments being against "professional ethics"

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by legitster »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #296

They call it a derailment, but isn't "explosion" a better word choice? Seems like downplaying.

The "explosion" was part of an intentional burn as part of the prescribed cleanup plan: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/06/1154760911/ohio-train-derailm...

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Post by LarryMullins »

MrOwnPut wrote: post #107
Sakos wrote: post #77

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Airlines are regulated heavily and safe without nationalizing / seizing ownership.

Airline accidents kill hundreds of people outright. The media gives those stories tons of attention (If it bleeds, it leads) and accordingly the airline industry knows it must take safety seriously to protect their profits.

Meanwhile the chemical industry kill the gods only know how many thousands of people over the course of decades with a steady trickle of statistically correlated illnesses, but the media doesn't cover it and the consumers of chemical goods feel insulated from harm which seems very abstract and indirect to them. A consumer buying a chemical good is not directly imperiled by the chemical industry in the same way as an airline flier is threatened by airline crashes.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out why the airline industry is better at safety than the chemical industry.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by xadhominemx »

shadowgovt wrote: post #270
xadhominemx wrote: post #247

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There were no severe acute effects - there were no hospitalizations, the vast majority of the vinyl chloride was intentionally burned, and the little that remains has very low environmental or biological persistence.

As is so often the case, people who fearmonger about what could happen fail to notice that the medical establishment keeps quite good records on what is happening. We'd know about the acute effects by now from hospitalization, and we generally know about the chronic effects in the environment because this isn't even the first vinyl chloride spill. Is Paulsboro, NJ currently a cancer hotbed? https://www.popularmechani…

Exactly! Vinyl Chloride is an extremely common and high volume industrial use chemical. If acute exposure could give you cancer, we’d have known decades ago.

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Post by samstave »

iso1631 wrote: post #291
RajT88 wrote: post #262

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> It seems to constantly follow the pattern of people saying "It's not that bad" and then only years later do we actually see the horrific health and environmental effects of these sorts of things play out when it's too late for the folks that have been impacted. I recently learned that smaller versions of this even happen in the Lasalle/Peru area in Illinois with some regularity. It makes the local news, and maybe s…

Imagine a world where journalists have enough time in the day to participate in a coverup

>"journalists"

You keep using that word. I do not think that word means what you think it means.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_hGKT5FI78

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by snozolli »

mkr-hn wrote: post #297
snozolli wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Grow wary" isn't a thing. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=grow+weary%2Cg...

Always remember to mind the y-axis and scale when looking at and thinking about graphs. They can be deceptive even without meaning to. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=grow+wary&year...

I'm not sure what your point is, since you looked at the vanishingly uncommon phrase alone, giving the false impression of popularity.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by olivermarks »

Where are the environmentalists? This is a huge catastrophe that will have long term repercussions across a wide area.

Are all the climate change organizations/lobbyists actually corporate sponsored and don't want to rock the boat?

There is little information on why so many trains with hazardous cargos are derailing in north America. This could be sabotage by malevolent actors.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by shawn-butler »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #284
sam0x17 wrote: post #260

This is a really glaring example of mismanagement on the federal government's part. Apparently the number of staff who maintain the rails was cut some time before the incident, and this is the main reason the rails were not properly maintained and this accident was allowed to happen. Meanwhile the transportation department is still celebrating their accomplishments and acting like we don't have a huge disaster on our…

Why is Federal government at fault, and not, you know, the rail company that owns the railroads and collects the revenues?

In my mind because Biden/Buttigieg had Congress impose a labor contract to prevent a strike a few months ago and rail safety due to labor cuts by these same rail companies was one of the issues workers were concerned about?
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