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Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by seafoam »

mbostleman wrote: post #153
jsonne wrote: post #67

I've been seeing content on Tiktok where even 100 miles away they're seeing small dead fish which is apparently according to the folks making the videos a massive red flag. In general I grow super weary of companies and the government downplaying these sorts of things. It seems to constantly follow the pattern of people saying "It's not that bad" and then only years later do we actually see the horrific health and en…

I'm finding it extremely hard to separate signal from noise in the social and legacy media spheres right now. I'm waiting for things to settle.

Yeah, I used to do that.

Then I realized that it is always a conspiracy theory until it is too late.

If you are potentially impacted, you have to do your own homework, and learn from your mistakes.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by Spooky23 »

gruez wrote: post #101
colpabar wrote: post #29

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The reason people are so upset isn't necessarily because of the environmental impact, it's because the people who work on these trains have been warning things like this could happen for years, and when they tried to strike over it, the federal government stepped in and crushed them into submission. There was a car on that train that was on fire for at least 20 miles before the derailment. If I can get pulled over fo…

>The reason people are so upset isn't necessarily because of the environmental impact, it's because the people who work on these trains have been warning things like this could happen for years, and when they tried to strike over it, the federal government stepped in and crushed them into submission. There was a car on that train that was on fire for at least 20 miles before the derailment. If I can get pulled over f…

The problem is an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I have friends in this industry so I have more context than most.

Railroads were a sleepy corner of the world for a long time, until business types realized that trucking had peaked out from a capacity perspective. These companies are all chasing higher return on assets at all costs.

Motor carriers are much better regulated than rails because the railroads are all consolidated and they can hook themselves to politically powerful industries like coal and oil.

As the parent stated, roads are regulated more effectively and strictly. If you are a CDL driver with a carrier with lots of violations, you can lose your license for a minor brake violation or even a torn seat. That creates a market dynamic where drivers refuse to drive for shitty carriers.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by gruez »

gowings97 wrote: post #152
nimbius wrote: post #94

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> can make people dizzy and drowsy LMFAO vinyl chloride is a multi-organ carcinogen...its literally one of the quickest ways to stage 4 right up there with Benzene exposure. phosgene was also part of the release when Ohio decided a "controlled burn" of the vinyl chloride was somehow a good idea. the plume could be seen from commercial flights. honest to god the damage control media outlets are attempting in the midst…

Our fearless US press is too scared to have on-site staff to cover the largest ecological land-based disaster since Three Mile Island. Or they've been told by the regime it's a non-issue? Not sure which is worse, but the outcome is what you see before you; back page coverage a week after the incident. Barely a blurb. Yes, these things take time to fully investigate. Where are the daily updates from the EPA though? Wh…

>Our fearless US press is too scared to have on-site staff to cover the largest ecological land-based disaster since Three Mile Island

According to whom? Looking at this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Environmental_disaste..., it's not hard to find incidents that were arguably worse, eg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Dan_River_coal_ash_spill or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Gold_King_Mine_waste_wate...

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by shkkmo »

xadhominemx wrote: post #178
yebyen wrote: post #149

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https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/s... > Vinyl chloride exposure is associated with an increased risk of a rare form of liver cancer (hepatic angiosarcoma), as well as primary liver cancer (hepatocellular carcinoma), brain and lung cancers, lymphoma, and leukemia. If there's some fact in the parent comment which is in dispute could you please be a bit more clear about what it is? This is a ve…

Don’t chide me. Parent comment is ridiculous and harmful fearmongering and hyperbole. Read your own link - there is no mention of carcinogenicity* from acute exposure and environmental a biological persistence is very low. I would be more concerned if I spent a career in a vinyl chloride production facility without proper ppe.

There is no language in that link that limits the risks to long term exposure. If you follow the OSHA link on that page, you'll see that the ERPG-3 is 20000 ppm; that's the level at which some people will start facing lethal complications after an hour of exposure.

If you're gonna argue that there are no consequences to acute exposure, you gonna have to provide some sources.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by mrguyorama »

chaps wrote: post #99
Workaccount2 wrote: post #71

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I'm not denying the accident was bad, I'm tempering an unwarranted level of hysteria for what is another small scale industrial accident. People are drumming up hysteria for political capital, but its not fair to people who live in Ohio or Pennsylvania and now think they can't use their water, they're doomed to cancer at 45, and their kids will be mutants. It's being blown way of of proportion to the reality of it. I…

I'm not sure why you think this is blown out of proportion. The fact that they had fear of the train car explode and cause a much worse disaster (ie, not small scale) cannot and should not be written off.

People all over social media are calling this "Chernobyl", which is absurd.

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

perihelions wrote: post #7

- "On Sunday, the EPA released a list, written by Norfolk Southern, of the toxic chemicals that were in the derailed cars. In addition to vinyl chloride and butyl acrylate, it mentions ethylhexyl acrylate, which can cause headaches, nausea, and respiratory problems in people exposed to it; as well as isobutylene, which can make people dizzy and drowsy." This is anodyne phrasing that omits the lede, which is that this…

Finally, what can these chemicals react into when in a blaze.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by mauvehaus »

vkou wrote: post #194
anotherman554 wrote: post #165

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"I've been seeing content on Tiktok where even 100 miles away they're seeing small dead fish which is apparently according to the folks making the videos a massive red flag." I wouldn't bother watching a Tiktok video unless the video maker is an environmental professional. Otherwise this is just the blind leading the blind. Here's a legal definition of environmental professional used by developers when they do a envi…

You are correct about that, but it's also worth noting that there's also no point listening to a corporate press release that's telling you everything is fine, either, because we don't put press officers in prison for lying.

We also usually don't have environmental professionals also working as press officers. If the press person even consulted with an environmental professional, the content has been filtered by both their lack of domain knowledge and their desire to put a good spin on things.

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Post by adammichaelc »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #131
m000 wrote: post #95

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A number of rescued foxes and other wild animals were also affected in the nearby area [1]. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/fox-dies-owners-arms-after-ohio-tra...

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