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Re: Let Teenagers Sleep

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Post by djcannabiz »

juve1996 wrote: post #65
djcannabiz wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in the article: „And around puberty, their circadian clocks shift by a couple of hours, meaning they get tired later at night than before and wake up later in the morning than they used to. This shift reverses at adulthood.“ I agree with you somewhat that there is some personal responsibility required here, but I disagree that the answer here is so simple as going to sleep earlier.

Did the article cite the source for this and maybe I missed it? It says a lot of things and "countless studies" but curiously doesn't list all of them.

user jobs_throwaway posted a link to a paper on this topic

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222804/#:~:text=Resear...

In the article, they link to this website.

https://www.nationwidechildrens.org/specialties/sleep-disord...

Re: Let Teenagers Sleep

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

ArchOversight wrote: post #51

> This shift reverses at adulthood. The biological nature of this daily rhythm means that sending a teenager to bed earlier won’t necessarily mean they fall asleep earlier. No, this shift does not reverse in adulthood for some people... I am in my 30's and I still fall asleep midnight to 1 AM, and wake up "late" by most adult standards at around 8/9 AM. I can not shift my sleep schedule to earlier, I've tried many ti…

do you consume any caffeine after 12:00 noon? Caffeine's half life is 6 hours. So if you consume at 3pm, you still have 1/2 that caffeine in your body at 9 pm. 1/4 of it at 3am.

Re: Let Teenagers Sleep

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Post by avgcorrection »

Pet peeve of mine: some older adults are proud that they get up early. And that’s OK in isolation. The problem though is that older adults rule society moreso than younger adults, and certainly compared to teenagers. So for many older adults it feels natural to go to bed early and to get up early. But then we as a society confuse that with universal “good behavior”/good character, so everyone has to dance to that tune.[1] And we do get up to things so that we aren’t expelled from school or fired from our jobs. But some of us do it at the cost of our health and well-being.

[1] Or maybe the cause of our early starts is completely different. It’s not like I have any proof.

Re: Let Teenagers Sleep

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Post by Merad »

solveit wrote: post #44
fdgsdfogijq wrote: post #17

As a teenager I was diagnosed with "ADD". Very intelligent, but unable to focus or complete assignments. My life habits were carb heavy unhealthy food (from the cafeteria), soda, lack of sleep due to long school commute, not much exercise As an adult, I eat no carbs, all meat and vegetables, I work from home and sleep in as far as I need every night. My thinking is laser sharp. They tried to medicate me with all sort…

> My guidance counseler suggested I dont attend college, just a community college (despite the fact that I got admitted to a decent state school) What's wrong with guidance counselors in American high schools? Why do I keep hearing about them giving kids incredibly stupid advice?

Why do you think this was stupid advice? More than a few "normal" kids go off to college and crash and burn or otherwise fail spectacularly because they aren't prepared to be on their own. It sounds totally reasonable to suggest that a kid struggling with issues like the GP might consider community college so they can stay around family support structures, continue seeing the same doctors or therapists, etc.

Re: Let Teenagers Sleep

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Post by hgsgm »

peoplearepeople wrote: post #54
fdgsdfogijq wrote: post #17

As a teenager I was diagnosed with "ADD". Very intelligent, but unable to focus or complete assignments. My life habits were carb heavy unhealthy food (from the cafeteria), soda, lack of sleep due to long school commute, not much exercise As an adult, I eat no carbs, all meat and vegetables, I work from home and sleep in as far as I need every night. My thinking is laser sharp. They tried to medicate me with all sort…

> My guidance counseler suggested I dont attend college Reminder to self, tell my children to ignore anything a 'guidance councilor' says

Should they take education advice from someone who changes correctly spelled words to incorrectly spelled?

Re: Let Teenagers Sleep

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Post by dobbysfirstsock »

djcannabiz wrote: post #19
jenadine wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not going to sleep earlier?

in the article: „And around puberty, their circadian clocks shift by a couple of hours, meaning they get tired later at night than before and wake up later in the morning than they used to. This shift reverses at adulthood.“ I agree with you somewhat that there is some personal responsibility required here, but I disagree that the answer here is so simple as going to sleep earlier.

>I agree with you somewhat that there is some personal responsibility required here, but I disagree that the answer here is so simple as going to sleep earlier.

I think this is where I'm at. I know its entirely possible to sleep earlier with lifestyle changes. I spent a summer at my grandparents with no wifi, tech etc and going outside to play, I was so bored but damn if that wasn't the best sleep I ever had in my life, lol... and early too, never more than 10 PM.

I'm just worried if we start later and later, it could keep creeping up until you have no reasonable time left to start later. I suppose experimenting with it couldn't hurt though.

Re: Let Teenagers Sleep

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Post by waynesonfire »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #81
fdgsdfogijq wrote: post #17

As a teenager I was diagnosed with "ADD". Very intelligent, but unable to focus or complete assignments. My life habits were carb heavy unhealthy food (from the cafeteria), soda, lack of sleep due to long school commute, not much exercise As an adult, I eat no carbs, all meat and vegetables, I work from home and sleep in as far as I need every night. My thinking is laser sharp. They tried to medicate me with all sort…

Weird. My guidance councillor did the same. Well, I wasn’t accepted to a school at the point in which they encouraged me to settle for less, but it was a very heartfelt “don’t even try”. I left the room very confused and upset. Went in with ambition and excitement about my future and left feeling like I must be a complete idiot. I remember her saying “Let’s focus on being realistic. You aren’t actually going to do th…

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Re: Let Teenagers Sleep

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Post by the_third_wave »

fdgsdfogijq wrote: post #17

As a teenager I was diagnosed with "ADD". Very intelligent, but unable to focus or complete assignments. My life habits were carb heavy unhealthy food (from the cafeteria), soda, lack of sleep due to long school commute, not much exercise As an adult, I eat no carbs, all meat and vegetables, I work from home and sleep in as far as I need every night. My thinking is laser sharp. They tried to medicate me with all sort…

> My guidance counseler suggested I dont attend college, just a community college (despite the fact that I got admitted to a decent state school), or maybe go into the "trades".

While I can only assume the people at that school to have been clueless as to your personal preferences and capabilities I do not see anything wrong with advising someone to skip college and learn a trade. College is not for everyone, college is not needed for many types of employment and college is all too often only used as a filtering device to reduce the number of interview candidates to manageable proportions. Add to that the fact that many colleges have ditched or are on the way to ditching objectivity and the scientific method to replace it with a post-modern portion of bullshit bingo in the name of D.I.E. and such and it suddenly becomes sage advice for many to skip this needless and needlessly expensive step. If you're aspiring to build bridges, heal the sick or raise the dead you'd better get yourself a degree, preferably one which actually means something. If you're planning to go into sales, start a small business or tend to a farm you don't need college.

Re: Let Teenagers Sleep

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Post by hgsgm »

gabereiser wrote: post #57

The real blame for early high school is extra-curricular sports. Basketball, Football, etc. For those sports to thrive, teams need to practice, in order for practice to be efficient, it needs to be at least an hour. So 2 hours are allocated (suit up, practice, suit down). In order for children to be able to commit to 2 hours extra of their time BEFORE their parents get home (5pm), class would have to end by 3pm. Now,…

Huh? Sports can practice before school. And high school athletes don't need parental supervision.

School hours are set by transportation needs, as you already observed.

Re: Let Teenagers Sleep

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Post by tenebrisalietum »

beebmam wrote: post #82
fdgsdfogijq wrote: post #17

As a teenager I was diagnosed with "ADD". Very intelligent, but unable to focus or complete assignments. My life habits were carb heavy unhealthy food (from the cafeteria), soda, lack of sleep due to long school commute, not much exercise As an adult, I eat no carbs, all meat and vegetables, I work from home and sleep in as far as I need every night. My thinking is laser sharp. They tried to medicate me with all sort…

> As an adult, I eat no carbs, all meat and vegetables This is contradictory. Vegetables are high in carbohydrates as a percentage of their calories.

Betting here that "no carbs" = no bread or other grain products.
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