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Re: Toxic gases connected to Ohio train derailment cause concern

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Post by goodoldneon »

quacked wrote: post #76
mschuster91 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not that I disagree with you, but me and many others are planning our retirements accounts around assumptions of 8-9% growth. Actions have consequences. When the entire retirement plan of everyone in the country able to set money aside in a 401k (which isn't applicable for a lot of low-wage employees) is tied to the stock markets, politics is effectively held hostage by the companies in the S&P 500 - politicians si…

When I was young, I assumed the 401k had been around forever. But it was introduced in 1978! We're nearing the end of the 50-year period that the guys who invented it would really need to get staggeringly rich off of the concept, and now that they're getting ready to die everyone's overreliance on the system they set up is causing total gridlock in American life. You can't do ANYTHING that threatens the stock market.…

What’s the alternative? Pensions? If your retirement is dependent on a pension, and the pension goes belly up, then you’re left with a fraction of what you planned for (since PGBC doesn’t cover it all)

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Post by destitude »

Another example of people not taking into account the full life cycle of the products they purchase. Vinyl chloride was one of the main toxic chemicals dumped in this derailment and it is used to make PVC. You might want to think twice about using vinyl siding, windows, flooring, etc..

Re: Toxic gases connected to Ohio train derailment cause concern

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Post by mschuster91 »

xyzelement wrote: post #84
mschuster91 wrote: post #49

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> If I wanted to read the thoughts of some random person who is feeling anxious about something they’re ignorant about, I would go on social media. It's one thing to ask random Joe on the streets if he's fine with immigration. That's pretty pointless. But asking someone directly affected from a natural disaster or industrial accident by living right next to it? That's the kind of journalism that is needed, because it…

I am not sure why random Joe's opinion on immigration isn't relevant by the same logic?

Because it doesn't affect random Joe on the street in his daily life, nor do other nationwide topics (think market economy, wars, natural disasters on the other side of the planet).

Re: Toxic gases connected to Ohio train derailment cause concern

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Post by malermeister »

Chronoyes wrote: post #100
paganel wrote: post #80

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How is this not a "failure of capitalism"?

Do these accidents happen regularly in capitalist countries such as Sweden, Norway and Germany? If not then perhaps the problem is not capitalism but America's regulatory system.

Have you ever considered that the problem with America's regulatory system might be capitalism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

Re: Toxic gases connected to Ohio train derailment cause concern

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Post by bombcar »

colpabar wrote: post #86
iinnPP wrote: post #70

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Whoever did that should hide. It's so insulting that it must be dangerous.

This is after they bought ten billion dollars of their own stocks last year. It’s unbelievable. They really couldn’t shell out a bit more, at least just for good PR? https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/19/while-fighting-...

Honestly suspect some middle manager approved it and that's the highest they can go "immediately without approval" because $25k sounds like what you'd normally allocate for a single personal injury (someone getting hit on the head by a crossing guard or whatnot) and they didn't think what it would look like, nor pause to run it up the chain.

Re: Toxic gases connected to Ohio train derailment cause concern

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Post by Izkata »

dcist wrote: post #20
lylejantzi3rd wrote: post #17

Here's something for your daily dose of "that's strange:" In 2021 residents of East Palestine, Ohio were extras in filming a train derailment scene for the movie "White Noise"(2022). "Ratner, 37, is in a traffic jam scene, sitting in a line of cars trying to evacuate after a freight train collided with a tanker truck, triggering an explosion that fills the air with dangerous toxins." https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/11/he…

This odd fact will spawn thousands of conspiracy videos and crisis actor accusations. Cue ominous music…

They were already talking about this several days ago, and the main talking point was how the media wasn't really talking about it.

This is the first place I've seen people openly talk of sabotage.

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Post by sschueller »

mattacular wrote: post #82

I see all the staunch supporters of deregulation across the board that normally come out of the woodwork on HN are strangely absent.

Well you know how they always say "the market will regulate itself"? The issue they like to forget is that you or a family member may be part of the first 346 dead from the Boeing Max disaster or you live in Palestine, Ohio before the market regulates itself.

Re: Toxic gases connected to Ohio train derailment cause concern

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Post by sambull »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #27
dcist wrote: post #20

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This odd fact will spawn thousands of conspiracy videos and crisis actor accusations. Cue ominous music…

Derailment can be a result of sabotage. The location is near major food and water sources. So while not exactly a conspiracy yet, it seems important to understand exactly what occurred in this derailment.

Also a lack of proper physical safety measures. Known safety improvements that were recently blocked[0] specifically the requirement to run hazards/flammable liquids with ECP Brakes which reducing stopping distance by >50% and also prevent cars from building pressure in between better braking cars and derailing.

[0] https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rule...

Re: Toxic gases connected to Ohio train derailment cause concern

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Post by xyzelement »

mschuster91 wrote: post #103
xyzelement wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure why random Joe's opinion on immigration isn't relevant by the same logic?

Because it doesn't affect random Joe on the street in his daily life, nor do other nationwide topics (think market economy, wars, natural disasters on the other side of the planet).

Sure it does. Joe may be in a social class that competes with immigrants in the labor market, or the housing market. He may perceive that the safety in his neighborhood has changed with an influx of people he perceives to be immigrants.

Doesn't mean he's right but he's got questions and believes he's impacted. That's my point, it's analogous to living in the town w the accident.

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