This seems like it should be a bigger story.
Toxic gases connected to Ohio train derailment cause concern
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#72What is very frustrating is that health effects can be slow as in 20-30 years. By then the people who committed the crime are long gone or will claim the statute has expired. Another thing that is done is just sell the company and then the new owner claims that was the predecessor and that the new company no longer have any liability. Ala Union Carbide or even Monsanto. In fact one company recently said they only by…
I think the recent example is Johnson & Johnson were they bundled all their asbestos liabilities into a subsidiary which is now bankrupt. Roughly something like that, Matt Levine from Bloomberg had a good write up on it.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
A reporter was literally arrested for reporting on it. https://archive.ph/esy2M
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Well, I provided an archived link to an ABC article to back up my claim, and you have provided nothing to back up yours. You also rudely implied that I don’t know how to consume news media. Why should I, or anyone else, believe you?
edit: and why did you create a new account to make this claim?
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Make these companies government owned and operate them like the post office.
Not sure if adding sovereign immunity to the situation would help. Managers take shortcuts to get ahead in a lot of situations; consider, for instance, Chernobyl. It’s one of the reasons I think the “prioritizing profits” narrative rings hollow. Any profits they would have preserved by not-stopping for the first hotbox detector? Already burned by the costs of the closure and the response so far. If anything, chasing…
> chasing profits better would have prevented this
No. Chasing profits is the reason the train did not stop after the hot box detection. It would have been late.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
A reporter was literally arrested for reporting on it. https://archive.ph/esy2M
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I'm not going to beat around the bush here: You are lying.
The charges were trespassing and disorderly conduct. The reporter was in the middle of a live report when the governor began a speech and the police asked him to be quiet before arresting him. The governor apologized and offered a one on one interview after the reporter's release.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not that I disagree with you, but me and many others are planning our retirements accounts around assumptions of 8-9% growth. Stock market returns and real economic productivity aren't the same thing, but I think it would be deeply challenging for us to change course. Low growth creates a lot of new issues which are debatably worse than the axles-on-fire problem, but this is a conterfactual argument.
> Not that I disagree with you, but me and many others are planning our retirements accounts around assumptions of 8-9% growth. Actions have consequences. When the entire retirement plan of everyone in the country able to set money aside in a 401k (which isn't applicable for a lot of low-wage employees) is tied to the stock markets, politics is effectively held hostage by the companies in the S&P 500 - politicians si…
When I was young, I assumed the 401k had been around forever. But it was introduced in 1978! We're nearing the end of the 50-year period that the guys who invented it would really need to get staggeringly rich off of the concept, and now that they're getting ready to die everyone's overreliance on the system they set up is causing total gridlock in American life. You can't do ANYTHING that threatens the stock market. The President can't give good advice like "save your money and don't go into debt on new cars" because if people stop spending, everyone's retirement accounts stagnate.
(Edit: as a matter of fact, recently the President has been actually advertising going into debt for new cars. And it works! My poor-with-finances brother wants to buy a $38,000 truck, and he's got less than $500 in savings and rents an apartment.)
I'm between 25-30 and I'm not even remotely planning on having enough money when I retire. My plan is to have kids, teach them to be clever and resourceful, and then live with them. If they won't have me, I'll live as a pauper in the grand new order when I have to retire. Greater men than I have died penniless.
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#77Someone in the reddit thread posted this video on Dow and DuPont: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRmwppLFL90
Infuriating.
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#78Here's something for your daily dose of "that's strange:" In 2021 residents of East Palestine, Ohio were extras in filming a train derailment scene for the movie "White Noise"(2022). "Ratner, 37, is in a traffic jam scene, sitting in a line of cars trying to evacuate after a freight train collided with a tanker truck, triggering an explosion that fills the air with dangerous toxins." https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/11/he…
This odd fact will spawn thousands of conspiracy videos and crisis actor accusations. Cue ominous music…
I don’t know. Someone who was an extra could have easily been inspired by the movie to carry out this sabotage just a year later. It doesn’t take much to derail a train, I could go derail a train right now if I wanted to. You just need key bits of knowledge. Quick visit to a hardware store.
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#79> Residents are concerned about long-term effects of low-grade exposure. > “There’s all that smoke and all those chemicals in there,” said Mason Shields, who lives in East Palestine and visited an aid center outside the evacuation zone. “I’m wondering if it’s even going to be safe for people to return within the next week or month or however long.” Generally speaking, I read the news because I want to learn facts abo…
If these thoughts were not recorded, I'm sure some executive would say the town simply isn't concerned, therefore, all is well. Therefore, these ARE facts.
I found these useless facts to be recorded in such detail. “People are concerned about future livability” is plenty details.
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How is this not a "failure of capitalism"?