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United States tells citizens: Leave Russia immediately

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Re: United States tells citizens: Leave Russia immediately

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I don’t buy the idea that Russia would conscript dual US-Russian citizens for one big reason: trust. For the same reason the US would avoid conscripting Russians. Also, we’ve been told on multiple occasions that Russia would declare martial law yet the borders are still open for military aged males.

Not sure where the idea of conscription is coming from for you. It's not mentioned anywhere in the article.

It is mentioned in original warning from the embassy.

Re: United States tells citizens: Leave Russia immediately

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I don’t buy the idea that Russia would conscript dual US-Russian citizens for one big reason: trust. For the same reason the US would avoid conscripting Russians. Also, we’ve been told on multiple occasions that Russia would declare martial law yet the borders are still open for military aged males.

Not sure where the idea of conscription is coming from for you. It's not mentioned anywhere in the article.

It's in the source https://ru.usembassy.gov/travel-advisory-russia-do-not-trave...

Re: United States tells citizens: Leave Russia immediately

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> And in the event of a potential UA victory the use of tactical nuclear weapons from RU seem likely The consensus military opinion I've read on this is that tactical nukes aren't very useful militarily; troops in the field are too dispersed. If there's a hardened target, then yes, otherwise not great. They then have to be weighed against the costs of crossing that Rubicon. > why they're suddenly so worried about the…

What makes anyone on this platform believe that Ukraine has any chance of victory? It doesn't even have a working economy anymore, the US tax payer is paying both the government and the military's salaries. It's most resource rich areas are now in Russian hands. They started with over a thousand tanks, hundreds of jets, got hundreds of soviet tanks from various places, got hundreds of artillery pieces and hundreds of…

Ukraine has no chance of outright battlefield victory, however sufficient military aid can keep them in the fight and produce a grinding stalemate like in WW1. The hope is that this war of attrition will eventually lead to regime change in Russia and perhaps a further fragmentation of the country to continue the process started in 1991. Even if Russia holds together politically and continues to occupy parts of Ukraine, they are losing so many soldiers that they won't be able to credibly threaten our allies for years to come.

Re: United States tells citizens: Leave Russia immediately

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> And in the event of a potential UA victory the use of tactical nuclear weapons from RU seem likely The consensus military opinion I've read on this is that tactical nukes aren't very useful militarily; troops in the field are too dispersed. If there's a hardened target, then yes, otherwise not great. They then have to be weighed against the costs of crossing that Rubicon. > why they're suddenly so worried about the…

I doubt the "spy drones" are of any particular military value anyway. It's more a test to see what will happen if you send something suspicious into your rival's airspace. The Trump administration chose to ignore them, the Biden administration in slightly different geopolitical circumstances chose to shoot them down. Since this would have been an anticipated outcome, I don't think it really changes anything other tha…

The U.S. has been pushing the UK to not include any Chinese equipment in any infrastructure they buy.

It’s not clear to me what the Chinese could have learnt thst they didn’t already know.

Re: United States tells citizens: Leave Russia immediately

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FTA, this is not the first time the US has warned citizens about this either, but renewing this warning in the wake of recent events does seem interesting.

I lived in Russia for 6 years prior to the invasion of Ukraine (2022 edition), and I can confirm that the US has frequently warned very heavily for basically all actions in Russia, even during peace times (before the first invasion of Ukraine even). I think even in 2015 when I went the first time, Russia was still on the 2nd level of warning despite overall decent relationships between the two countries at the time.…

I've been in several countries where the State Dept has made a habit of advising Americans not to stay. At least with the crowd I hang out with, it is generally seen as crying wolf. On the other hand, back in Soviet times, false arrests were a political tactic. I have a good story about that...

I knew a guy who was in the USSR as a grad student in 1968. When the Soviets invaded Czechoslovakia, he and his fellow American students decided they should exit to the West for a spell, because of that whole false arrests thing. They got on a train and as they were headed to the border, they heard some news about a trumped up smuggling charge when a tourist's baggage was searched. Fearing the same tactic used on them, they went back to the luggage car and searched their own bags. Lo and behold, one guy found an antique silver crucifix in his suitcase. They opened the car window and flung out the crucifix as they passed a field. When they got to the border station, that one guy was singled out by the guards for a very thorough search of his bags, but finding nothing, they had to let him through.

Re: United States tells citizens: Leave Russia immediately

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure where the idea of conscription is coming from for you. It's not mentioned anywhere in the article.

It's in the source https://ru.usembassy.gov/travel-advisory-russia-do-not-trave...

Thanks, so it is. :)

Re: United States tells citizens: Leave Russia immediately

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Russia isn’t going to go nuclear unless Ukrainian forces start heading towards Moscow. They would sure like you to think that they would, though.

> Russia isn’t going to go nuclear unless Ukrainian forces start heading towards Moscow. They would sure like you to think that they would, though. No, Russia isn't going nuclear unless Ukraine will move into Russian territory. While Putin annexed parts of Ukraine to be able to use draft soldiers there, it still part of Russian territory in his mind and minds of many Russians (starting with generals and oligarchs end…

Ukraine has already taken over annexed Russian territory. Putin is pretending it never happened.

Again, it’s a lot easier for Putin to fluff himself to the Russian public than it would be to avoid Western nations wanting to assassinate him. Let’s not forget that until a few months ago the Russian public wasn’t even allowed to call this a war, and today they are sending their kids over to fight what they believe is a just war.

Re: United States tells citizens: Leave Russia immediately

#69
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And in the event of a potential UA victory the use of tactical nuclear weapons from RU seem likely The consensus military opinion I've read on this is that tactical nukes aren't very useful militarily; troops in the field are too dispersed. If there's a hardened target, then yes, otherwise not great. They then have to be weighed against the costs of crossing that Rubicon. > why they're suddenly so worried about the…

What makes anyone on this platform believe that Ukraine has any chance of victory? It doesn't even have a working economy anymore, the US tax payer is paying both the government and the military's salaries. It's most resource rich areas are now in Russian hands. They started with over a thousand tanks, hundreds of jets, got hundreds of soviet tanks from various places, got hundreds of artillery pieces and hundreds of…

Ukraine has many generals trained by NATO, and is getting more NATO training. Yes the west is propping them up, but they have plenty of training. They are also helped immensely by Russia making a lot of military stupid decisions. They are winning now - a good defense is often better than a great offense.

Re: United States tells citizens: Leave Russia immediately

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Something that's been concerning me about all these UFOs being shot down is that perhaps it could be best explained by the start of something else building up... Realistically these UFO's aren't alien crafts but hostile spy drones. Perhaps the reason we haven't heard about these drones before could be that the US has never felt the need to act (the spying poses no real imminent threat), or maybe the hostile state sen…

> Am I wrong to be concerned? Fortunately yes. There are very long and well-respected traditions when it comes to nukes, and despite Russian propaganda and shitposters going on about nuclear tidal waves and other nonsense, serious diplomats have maintained that nuclear policy remains the same, which means they'll only use nukes if there's an existential threat to Russia (which getting their ass handed to them in Ukra…

Yeah, but the element of surprise and cold-served revenge is something that bad actors thrive on. So the least expected attack becomes the most impactful.
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